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Abi	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/4/2013 Product or Service Involved: Madrid Audio & Volare same as other people, they came to me in Walmart parking lot , asked me if i want to buy a home theater and they are trying get rid. does anyone know how to get the money back/??
Anthony	Erie, Pennsylvania
12/29/2012 Product or Service Involved: N/A There was a van parked in the commuter parking lot one evening at Penn State Behrend in Erie Pennsylvania during fall semester, 2009. The driver and passenger lured me and a few buddies in since we were parked and tweeking our car stereos. They used intimidating factors mentioned above, even the "beer money" quote after giving us a "great deal". After doing a quick search on my phone, I figured it was a scam and threatened to call campus police. The driver then picked up his phone and told the passenger that they were needed back at corporate and left.
Sean	Allentown, Pennsylvania
10/27/2012 Product or Service Involved: Jonsson Audio JO-250 Guess they moved up to PA.
Pete	Warrington, Pennsylvania
9/28/2012 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren 2 middle aged males wearing caps one with detailed greying beard in a green minivan I want to say it was a (Toyota Sienna). They caught me with my pants down basically during a hell of a rough patch. It was at 611/Easton road and paul valley rd heading towards BJ's for gas and they just happen to be going the same way WTH lets check them out so pulled into First Niagra bank. Same story as the others but I had a smart phone but not a smart user at the time. Avoided many scams since being back on the east coast and this one was a head on collision!
Tw	Williamsport, Pennsylvania
7/20/2012 Product or Service Involved: Kevlar Acoustic speakers/Vanderbach Audio sound system Approached at Sheets, came to house, wrote $800.00 check and then found out the guy was a scammer. speakers cause fires in homes when hooked up and short circut.
Ben Cohen	Doylestown, Pennsylvania
6/25/2012 Product or Service Involved: McLaren Surround Sound Same as the others around the Bucks County area. I didn't fall for it though. I was In Doylestown leaving the K-Mart shopping center, on my way to TD Bank when I was approched by a new Honda Oddesy Mini Van. Guy saw my car (335 BMW, lowered) and flagged me down. We pulled into a parking lot right next to Doylestown Glass. Two white males, mid 30s. Driver was bald and talking loud and quick. Passenger had dark hair and was mostly silent. Both had Oakley sunglasses. They said the same story - They were given an extra set as a "mix up" and the wanted to sell it because last time when they returned the speakers to their boss he just sold them. They showed me the "Product Reference" sheet which said the speakers were $3k... As well as a magazine article showing the same. They pulled all this out so fast, I knew it had to be some kind of setup. Bald guy even pulled out a wad of cash and said he had already sold another set for $1k and just told me to make him an offer. I said $150 and they seemed upset and started packing everything right away. So, I was was like "Thanks, but no thanks guys". They took off. This was around 3pm. I didn't get a license plate number. Def look the products up on Google on your smartphone infront of them, that'll scare them away for sure.
Not Taken	Williamsport, Pennsylvania
6/13/2012 Product or Service Involved: Vanderbach Audio I'm walking to my car outside of the Wegmans grocery store as a white van is creeping down the parking lot isles. Driver yells at me, "Excuse me! Are you interested in a home stereo system?" The driver's a white male, late-20s, 5'7", short dark hair. Younger white guy in the passenger seat, early-20s, roughly 6' tall with blonde hair. At first I'm thinking these are college students from one of the nearby colleges heading home for the summer and looking to make a couple bucks gas money on a used system. I just instinctively asked what they had, and the driver immediately pulls the van into an empty spot beside my car, hurries to the back of the van, and shows me several boxes of "Vanderbach Audio" 5.1 home stereo systems. Says that he and his buddy work for an electronics installer from Pittsburgh, and had several jobs in the area. One customer supposedly bailed on an install and now they had this extra merchandise to get rid of before going back to Pittsburgh. Otherwise, they'd have to hand it over to their boss and lose the chance to make some extra money. Said they had already sold one for $800 to another willing taker, were going to keep one for themselves, and would sell me the other for $800. Shows me an MSRP tag on the box marked $4,000, a glossy print catalog with the system and specs, warranty paperwork, and even had a phony receipt showing a down payment made between the customer that bailed and their Pittsburgh contractor. The guys starts rattling off a bunch of technical babble about this system being fully digital, with 5.1 surround sound, and hooking it to my Blu-ray player, etc, etc. He opens the box and starts pulling out speakers and quickly shows me the amp/mixer before covering it back over with the packaging material. I take notice to the hookups on the amp/mixer as it only had a pair of red/white RCAs in, red/white RCAs out, and a an AUX in. So, I say, "So you're telling me this is fully digital when there's no HDMI port?" He then incorrectly tells me, "HDMI is a video-only signal, and that you can't send audio over HDMI." So then I comment on his catalog describing the system as 5.1 audio, and the fact that his amp/mixer unit only had a set of standard RCA jacks. I gave him back his catalog and told him I wasn't interested. We both go back to our vehicles. As I'm unlocking my door the younger blonde guy from the passenger seat jumps out of the van, and says, "Wait! My friend was being greedy with his $800 offer. We really don't need that much. How about $300." I told him the stuff still wasn't worth $300, and the original "salesman" cuts back in, telling me I'm getting a great deal, and he'd even cut it down to $280 so that I had "beer money." Hilarious. Needless to say, I left with my money still in hand, and quickly called Wegmans to let them know of their solicitor.
Steve	King of Prussia, Pennsylvania
6/6/2012 Product or Service Involved: HT-81 Same story as everyone else. I paid $200. Hooked it up at home, it works well. I feel I got a good deaal!!!
Jimmy	concord, Pennsylvania
6/5/2012 Product or Service Involved: Epic Sound System I was leaving Walmart in Boothwyn Pa and was approached by two guys in a tan SUV saying they ordered too much equipment and needed to get rid of it.MSRP is 3200 but offered to sell it to me for 1500. I said no, then went down to 500..Then it came clear to me and I felt like an idiot entertaining them for so long..They finally said 200 and I asked if you mind if i search the internet on my phone about this product..The one guy went back in his car with a sigh, while the other pulled up the website for the product and a catalog that he had..I check the usual amazon/ebay for reviews and guess what? NO REVIEWS! I then proceed to look it up on scam.com/ripoff report.com and seen what I was looking for..SCAM. I politely refused and triumphantly drove off. Protip: ALWAYS DO YOUR RESEARCH, it only take a couple minutes and can save you from embarrassment and loss of money Protip2: IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, THEN IT IS!
not bad speakers they are worth 150 to me	glenmoore, Pennsylvania
5/15/2012 Product or Service Involved: mclaren i fell for the same scan. well not really a scam i looked up the speakers and they are of decent quality and sound amazing . i paid 150 for the supposedly 3,500 speakers and would anyone in their right mind pay that price for speakers but people pay a couple hundred for these speakers all the time. guys where kinda shady but i dont feel cheated cause i have decent speakers for a decent price. hope these guys keep selling stuff like this cause electronics are all over priced and out dated to begin with. the real crooks are best buy and the hh greggs in the world inflating prices for everything. sorry for everyone that feels ripped off but i look at it as getting a deal for 150 dollars. next time you wanna get ripped off again go into an electronics store and watch all the voltures flock to you to pay an even more outragious price then what we paid.
Sean Hough	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
5/9/2012 Product or Service Involved: Image Research On Monday, May 7, 2012 I was approached by a man at the Sunoco gas station at Oxford Circle. The man identified himself as a John McAfferty. He asked me if I was into home theater systems. I told him no and that I didn't have any money at the moment. He followed me to my car and stressed how much of a deal the speakers were, being valued at $3,499.00. He asked how much I was willing to pay for them. I told him $300. He showed me the merchandise from the trunk of an aqua colored Ford Explorer. The speakers looked to be of good quality so I went to the ATM to take out the $300. After I paid him he pointed to a bar on the opposite side of Roosevelt blvd and said that I should buy him a beer some time for giving me such a good deal on speakers. Once I got the speakers home, I google the brand name to assess the value of the system. I found links to "white van scams" and immediately felt duped! I intend to contact the distributor on the receipt tonight as it is the 3rd day. I hope to recoup my money as I'm not too confident to keep potentially fault equipment at my house. I read that these speakers could potentially be a fire hazzard so I'm worried about that. I feel like a complete sucker for buying electronics on the street.
moron	Horsham, Pennsylvania
4/27/2012 Same as the others.. Happened at the Wawa on 611 as I was getting gas. They were fast talking, showed me the order slips, the magazine. Same story about the extra ones, they don't want to take it back to their boss because he just sells it for profit and don't give them anything. They showed me a wad of cash telling me they had another extra one that they sold for 1k. I told them I'd give them $200. They were not happy with that whatsoever, asked me if I was serious. I should have just left it at that, but I decided to give them $300, and that was it. They took it of course, and asked me if I'd buy them beers if I saw them out. I still have the system in the box, not sure what to do with it now... I'm going to do some research online and see what it's worth if anything. Hopefully more than $300.
scam	philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/29/2012 Product or Service Involved: bernelli projector A white male in his mid 20s (seemed to be on drug or something) was driving in a red van shouted out "excuse me, I have a bernelli projector and a mclaren home system each for $500. Saying he's going to work and that his boss gave him extra merchandise and if he returns to work with it that his boss is going to keep it for himself. I tested the bernelli and the light came on but did not completely test the whole thing out yet. So people be aware.
mick	warminster , Pennsylvania
3/20/2012 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren speakers My story's the same as everyone else's. they got me when i was getting gas at the wawa on 611 and countyline road. a Green minivan stopped me and asked if i needed a sound system, course i said who doesn't. so i thought id go check out what they were selling. Ran the line that they needed to get rid of two extra systems because the boss was gonna sell em for more and make a profit. Now the deal sounded too good to be true but i bought it. YOu never know now a days, so i was interested. looked at it and they opened it up and showed me all the components. everything looked to be there, so i asked how much they wanted. course they said whatever you could offer. they wound up getting me for 400.00, something really needs to be done about this scam goin on.
jim	doylstown, Pennsylvania
3/15/2012 Product or Service Involved: maclaren ht Wawa at 611 near kansas rd. Green minivan, story the same as all. 3400 dollar system with reciept and magazine write up. Guy talking was loud and quick showing speakers. Never seen a 3000 dollar speaker system. Even bose are cheaper, went to google on phone he took off. Maclaren search had scam writen all over google. Took off before I could get a tag. Around 230 pm.
I cant believe this!	Allentown, Pennsylvania
3/13/2012 Product or Service Involved: Kinetic Same story as everyone else! 2 guys in a truck flag me down as im driving down the street, says hey u wanna home theatr? I just got a new apartment so i wanted to see what they had and bought 1 for $300! 2 dudes 1 looked like he was from californya and talked like he was gay the other guy had a yankee hat said he was from jerzey so i thought they was stolen not some bullshit! i plugged in the little speakers to my amp and they sound okay but i dont know how to hook up the basstube.....
No one	None, Pennsylvania
2/16/2012 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren Speakers me and my buddy were at a k-mart parking lot when two guys in a mini van stopped us and asked if we wanted to buy extra speakers. he said the orders on them were canceled and needed to sell them before he met his boss. showed us the price on the box around 2,500 to 3 grand a piece. we declined the offer and they said "we were wasting their time"
Judgement Lapse	Allentown, Pennsylvania
1/20/2012 Product or Service Involved: McLaren MT-410 Digital Home Theater Yet another dummy not paying attention. As other people had posted, 2 guys in a black SUV kinda PT Cruiser looking vehicle had a great story: they are installers, customer cancelled order, rather sell it off then take it back to their "business". I NEVER fall for dumb shit like this as I've lived in Chicago and New York and there were scams coming at you from every direction. Guess my guard was down here in my home town. The McLaren MT-410 Digital Home Theater System I ended up buying for $200 (listed at $2500!) is essentially an outdated and/or cheap knockoff brand which included 5 speakers and a big ass subwoofer. I haven't tested it yet, as it didn't even come with a receiver and I don't own one, but it looks like it's new. The specs on the equipment do match the specs on the box so it is the right product as per the packaging. The McLaren Technologies website has got to be BS, as I've seen others post the same. These 2 guys: tall black guy driving, shorter white guy with tattoos on his hands/arms (which was who people in FL described there scam guy looked like!) had a magazine with the products and prices listed, invoice sheet, warranty card, everything to appear legit. He even gave me his cell number which I called minutes later (before I knew whats up) and he answered. All in all, if it works, I figure I paid a little more then retail (maybe a lot more) for a "Home Theater" system that I don't need but I got something for my money. Better then being mugged I guess...
Robert best	Whitehall, Pennsylvania
1/18/2012 Product or Service Involved: Epic cube I got mine for 50 they were convinced i was a cop. Then there was a kind of lapse in there rehearsal. I was also carrying not so concealed so its was kind of funny def worth 50 bucks. Good day for me =)
OFT	Union City, Pennsylvania
1/17/2012 Product or Service Involved: Affinity home theater system A friend and I were approached at the kwik fill during our lunch break. Guys asked if we were interested in buying home theater equipment. Two Gingers. The passenger had to be 7ft or better. Showed us their fake invoice, same story about over stock.. I assumed the shit was hot, and was still going to buy, thinking about the huge profit margin. My greed got the best of my when I seen the $2000 msrp tag on the box. My buddy didnt have cash on him and declined the offer. The guy tried loading it into our truck before we even made a deal. My buddy was like "no no what are u doing. I dont want it!".... but I bit. I haggled him from $700 down to $200 within a minute. I felt bad taking it any cheaper... imagine that. I should have known better.. I dont feel like I was completely screwed over, but this is most definitely a scam. The same bs story and lies to every victim. I feel bad for the folks that think theyre getting a quality product and fork over $400+ for this chinese made junk.. Good thing Im OFT and I can afford to blow money like that haha. I see it as one less person that was able to be scammed.. I took one for the team. I really hope I run into these clowns again, Im going to take them for all they got. I know you pussys are reading these posts. Hiding behind your computer screens talking shit like your tough. GET A REAL JOB BUMS! OFT 4 life!
Dumb Shit	Allentown, Pennsylvania
1/11/2012 Product or Service Involved: McLaren Ht-81 Yes I Bit !!!! 2 guys in a dark blue van-- Gave me the same schpeel as other posts-- got the its worth $3400.00--showed warehouse receipt and magazine ad. You'd think at 53 yrs old I'd know better-- BUT-- chalk it up as another lesson learned !!! Got me for $400--But ya know what goes around comes around !!!! But I'm still a dumb FUCK !!!!
Ryan	Horsham, Pennsylvania
1/11/2012 Product or Service Involved: Maclaren HT-81 these 2 white guys just approached me Horsham,PA at the WAWA @ 12 noon. they are in a silver minivan. i didn't take the bait like the rest of you schmucks but just wanted to get the word out of where they are currently looking for suckers. Good Luck!
Dj	Erie, Pennsylvania
1/5/2012 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren ht 82 Same story. Got me today at Kohls in Erie PA. $200. Driving a black Chevy/gmc Yukon or Tahoe. 2004 or so.Ohio License plate# "STFO".
Mathias	Lafayette Hill, PA, Pennsylvania
1/4/2012 Product or Service Involved: McLaren Technologies BLU-3 Speaker System Same story as everyone else... 2 white dudes in a white van with Southern accents claimed to have an over-stock of speakers and were trying to unload them to make a quick buck. Offered them $200 for what was supposed to be a $3,000.00 system. I figured it was a scam. You know the old adage...if it's too good to be true, it probably is. But I figured what the heck...I've blown $200 on other useless stuff. All in all, I've heard worse speakers for more money. I'm not really sweating it too much. The Blu-Tooth functionality works, as well as the AUX hook-ups...and the speakers sound somewhat respectable. Gave the system to my nephew who couldn't be happier. Thanks White Van Speaker Scam guys!
mike	media, Pennsylvania
12/15/2011 Product or Service Involved: epic speakers same story as every one else, white ford flex with north carolina plates
Ryan	Willow Grove, Pennsylvania
12/12/2011 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren BLU-3 ahh! I knew I should have googled this first. 2 guys in a white van gave me the same story I've been seeing on here. They were supposed to get 1 of these speakers but had 2 extra and needed to get rid of them before their boss found out. (They were on their way to see their boss). They also needed beer money. They got $300 from me. My wife is going to be pissed. Anybody need some Maclaren Blu-3 speakers? $400
john	None, Pennsylvania
12/6/2011 Product or Service Involved: home theater system two guys in a tan mini van with a huge dent in the driver side rear sliding door try to sell me a home theater system made by mclaren said it was worth 3500 and willing after 10 minutes of negotiating drop to 200 and even 175 dollars. needless to say i declined although it did sound entysing. but came home to find out if i had made the right decision, needless to say I did. watch out for these two.I know they were probably bogas names joe and john.
Walter	Hatboro, Pennsylvania
12/6/2011 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren Home Theater HT-81 Two guys, gold mini Van pulled into a gas station yelling out the window about a great deal on these speakers. They said they had two extra and had to get rid of them. They wanted $1000. Same story as everybody else they got away with $200 from me. I should have known.
Mike	Allentown, Pennsylvania
11/24/2011 Product or Service Involved: McLaren HT-82 I just Googled McLaren HT-82 to get a consumer review, first thing I read is this fraud scam. I was approached by 2 knuckleheads in a white van with NJ plates. They said it was a cancelled order and they couldn't bring it back with them so they gave me the "deal of the century". They tried selling me a projection unit at first which I told em I didn't need, then he opened his van with all sorts of shit. He said this unit was worth $3600...I went to look up the consumer review because this thing sounds like crap. And unfortunately, I gave the guy $700 for it.... you live and you learn, won't happen again.
Bill	Lehighton, Pennsylvania
9/21/2011 Product or Service Involved: Acoustimax Right beside my work, 2 guys pulled up in a van wanting to "get rid" of a speaker system that was mistakenly loaded on their van that morning. They one guy (the talker) insisted he had to get rid of the system before he went back to his shop or he would get in trouble for having extra merchandise. I played it off a bit and basically politely turned him down even as he was offering to "let it go REAL CHEAP" I said no and he left, exasperated I'm sure... I promptly called the PA state police who have a barracks less then 5 miles from me... Hope they caught them.. MORONS!
JOHN	None, Pennsylvania
9/19/2011 Product or Service Involved: McLaren Home Theater It works but I paid 300.00!!!!! Probably not worth it!! These guys were fast and really made it look like a good deal with their suggessted retail price thing...I went for it and ended up with a Mclaren home theater system that should have probably sold for 100-200 bucks!! Oh welll you live and learn
Dan	Benton, Pennsylvania
9/15/2011 I was filling up at a gas station when a white SUV pulled up with a guy asking if I wanted to buy a surround sound system. Told me they were delivery guys that unexpectedly were given an extra system and if they delivered it to their boss, he would keep it for himself. The guys said they would rather get some money for the unneeded equipment and asked how much I would offer after pointing out the $3500.00 price tag printed on box. I said $200.00 and he said he wanted 6. We went back and forth and I got him to agree to $150.00. At this point I knew it was a scam and asked if it was stolen. He quickly flashed an invoice at me and said it was legit. I told him he probably wouldn't have much luck trying to sell expensive equipment in an area that just got hit hard by flooding (the road we were on was underwater last week). Said no thanks and drove away. After looking this up, I wish I got his license plate number or had him open the box to see if it was just bricks inside.
Joe	Norristown, Pennsylvania
9/8/2011 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren Technologies HT-82 Home Theater System I was approaced by 2 guys in a gold town and country and the Wawa on Trooper Rd. Same story as all of you. They were overstocked and had an extra that they wanted to get rid of so their boss would not resell it himself and make money. Showed me the website, packing slip, and magazine with the stereo system in it so it looked legit - $3799.99. His phone number was 215-510-8579. Please feel free to contact me at bfarkus8@yahoo.com if you have any helpful info to share. Is this Avalon Distributors Inc the same place these guys operate out of?
Damien	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/31/2011 Product or Service Involved: ID5 Surround Sound Home Theatre System I was cleaning my car at Great Bear Car Wash in Philly when a Green Truck pulled up. This guy got out very hyped about these extra theatre systems he had from an overstock or something from a job he had to do. He showed me the price on the box, it was about 3K. He said, he just sold one for $600 and said he wasn't being greedy, what do I think is fair for them. I said I would pay $200. He asked do you think that's fair. He then showed me this "Gear" magazine with the product in it with the price of 3K. I told him I don't carry cash on me. He said, we can go over to the ATM. He even tried to give me the box that wasn't opened and haven't been touched. He wouldn't give me his number. Now, I am always skeptical about these kind of situations. Am I being set up? Is this a scam? Am I being video taped? So, I just come up with the ole, gotta ask the wife routine and get out of it. He did everything I'm reading on here. He showed me the magazine, the inventory sheet, the price on the box, he brought the box over to my car. He was aggressive! He said his name was John McCafferty and that was the name on his ID he displayed. He had a right glass eye. Yes! A glass eye! He was an older guy, again in a green truck and wearing a red Phillies shirt. Even if this is some kind of business (like the dudes that sell you the kid toys, buy 2 get one free), the way they go about it is a scam. Don't tell me that the system is made by Bose (that's a lie), don't tell me you are overstocked (that's a lie), don't show me a blacked out invoice (that's a lie). So, it's a scam even if it's from a "legit" business. Yeah, businesses mark up prices and fake a sale but, it's waaaay different. Just stay away from these people and buy at an actual store. Unless, it's brand name, you can try before you buy (he said he's hook it up at my home, DUDE I DON'T KNOW YOU!), and you can get some info from the seller.
Joe	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/31/2011 Product or Service Involved: Mclaren Stupidly, bought a new looking Mclaren HT-82 home theater. The guys even showed me the warranty. So why not? If its broke use the warranty? But the company does not exist!! Support e-mail on the webpage www.mclarentechnologies.com is not valid. But CALL this number: 714 813 4530. Its the DIRECT phone number for what I'm assuming is the head scam artist. My mistake that will never be repeated. Hope this help prevent other scams and give the victims of this scam a number to call.
brian	Wahington, Pennsylvania
8/22/2011 Product or Service Involved: Wahldorf WD310HT Same method of approach as everyone else it seams. The suv or van being white intrigues me. Is it that the color white represents nuetral, non threatening, and the good guy association makes you let down your guard. Where as black would be the bad guy, dark and evil. As far as the speakers go, I was just glad to have obtained them when I opened the box...not a human head, bowling ball, or concrete block just so the box would appear heavy with the actual item intact. If I see those goof-balls cruising the parking lots scouting out victims, I am gonna go "Charles Bronson" on them. VIGILANTE!!
Brian	North Wales, Pennsylvania
8/15/2011 Product or Service Involved: Paramax Two guys in a gold Chrysler Town and Country selling speaker systems. Their story is the got extras as part of their order and are trying to sell them before their boss finds out. This is a bogus story and they are selling crap.
Justin McHugh	stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
7/15/2011 Product or Service Involved: paramax Same deal as all of you. My father got approached by two men who said they had overstock home theater systems and showed him 1,299 dollars on the boxes and he said not interested. They eventually lowered it to 200 each and he bought both of them. They are not legit obviously and do not work. My dad got scammed. First of all if you get scammed call your state's attorney general and report it. Then call the FTC toll free at 1-877-438-4338. My reference number is 31538114. Call the police and report them. Here is my information if you need help from me. We can get together and get them for fraud and sue them in civil court and get them put behind bars. I please ask you not to contact this information rather use it when you call the FTC and attorney general's office. We can join together and put an end to these criminals. Info for complaint: Kelly Smith 6122 Katella Ave Cypress, Ca 90630 phone number: 714-894-5888 fax: 954-334-8000 Fraudulent Company Name T R Theater Research Inc. kellysmith@tritri.com Take the time to do this this companies product is not even legit and they will continue to rip of thousands of Americans and it will only take a few minutes of your time to stop this. email me justin_mchugh@hotmail.com if you need help. We can stop these people. Spread the word.
James	Mt Pocono, Pennsylvania
7/14/2011 Product or Service Involved: P-7 HD SOUND SYSTEM Time to add me to the list of many. Somebody in a blue van approached me coming out of the Weis parking lot in Mt. Pocono. It is the same exact story that i had read from everyone else. WOW!!! I don't like the feeling of being manipulated but all in all it was my fault for purchasing a product in such fashion anyway. $100.00 bucks down the drain. What really bothers me though was 1. How I ignored all the obvious signs. And 2. His concern for me trying to lowball him as if i was trying to scam him (when he was doing the scamming).
sherry in pennsylvania	Erie, Pennsylvania
7/9/2011 Product or Service Involved: Image Theater Concepts Pro Series They got my boyfriend too. Same M.O. two guys in a black truck. Same story....something about extra products and something about their boss and yeah...you owe them a beer for getting you such a great deal...he only paid 100$ and the product isn't what is says it is. There aren't enough jacks in the back to hook up all these speakers and there are only two jacks for speakers and the product came with several speakers. But, we tried hooking it up to the TV and the stereo and already one of the two jacks has shorted out...so basically we just have a bunch of crappy speakers. It is an outrage! Everything looked on the up and up until you turn the thing around and see it's not the product it claims to be. They are thieves!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't fall for it.
Anthony	East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
6/24/2011 Same stories as below, basically. My father-in-law was approached by a couple of guys at a gas station. They offered to sell him speakers "worth $3,000" for "whatever he could give them" because "the warehouse had overstocked their van." Luckily he only gave them $200. I opened the speakers and while the sub-woofer turned on the speakers never worked. I went to the "official" website of the speaker "brand" and quite literally found nothing. A simple Google search after that lead me to the infamous "White Van Speaker Scam" entry on Wikipedia, and to this site as well.
Donna	None, Pennsylvania
6/17/2011 I was in the Bob Evans parking lot in Erie PA (next to Splash Lagoon) with my dad when 2 guys in a white truck pulled up to us. They were very polite (the driver apologized twice for "bothering" my dad) and told them they had a brand new, still-in-the-box, home theater system they were giving away (not sure why). My dad was about to go over and check it out when I called him over and told the guys we weren't interested (I knew it was a scam, it made no sense what they were doing). They drove away honking and waving. I wish I'd gotten the license plate number...
Jeff	Bethel Park, Pennsylvania
5/11/2011 Product or Service Involved: Paramount Speakers or some shit. I pulled into the PNC Bank/ National City branch on south park road in Bethel Park, PA. I saw my uncle in the parking lot talking to 2 morons with a truck load of speakers. Same as the rest of the stories. $2000 system for $200. He is a Plumber and has money to burn so he bought a set. It looked like a scam to me but he still bought them. They offered me a set also but I wasnt buying. I didnt need them anyway. Uncle left with them in his plumbing van and I got their number. As it turns out I had interviewed for a job with these clowns years ago. It seemed odd at the interview and I turned the job down. I know where their location is becsuse my shelving wholsaler is right next door to their building. I cant figure out how their offices dont get shut down. They have been at the same warehouse for over 10 years. The date listed is an estimate as I do not remember the date of the incident at the bank but these Asswipes are real and they are scamming people. I am going to ask my uncle how the speakers worked out. I never asked him after that but I will now.
Ben	None, Pennsylvania
4/23/2011 Product or Service Involved: paramax home theater system i know of a location where the homebase for philadelphia of this scam is.
Jane	Allentown, Pennsylvania
4/18/2011 Product or Service Involved: Epic Sound Speakers I was just scammed by these people. I got the plate wonder if I should turn it over to the police.
ELVIN TORO	COATESVILLE, Pennsylvania
4/13/2011 Product or Service Involved: PARAMAX 2 GUY IN A VAN PULLED UP AND SAID they have extra speaker sets and had to return them to there boss if they don't sell it they were looking to get $200. for the 5 speaker system.
Rick	Washington, Pennsylvania
3/28/2011 Product or Service Involved: Theater Logic Apprached in a wal mart parking lot. I am a pitchman as well and love a good pitch. I open invited the picth but quickly got hypnotized by there awesomeness in sales. Next thing I know I have a set of speakers and I'm pissed off. I did get a slip and an address that was correct. Avalon Distributors Oakdale PA I returned the speakers for a full refund because of a report on this site I was able to identify the boss. Shawn was his name. They were friendly and didn't hesitate to give the refund.
charity frye	hanover, Pennsylvania
3/26/2011 Product or Service Involved: divinci signature series i was in the walmart parking lot when a white male pulls up in a white pickup with ohio state plates and went through the story....ordered too many couldnt take back to his boss you know the deal...well msrp on the box was 2000.....long story short we gave him 200...got home opened up and well well well what do ya know....no amp......it was 6 speakers and a ball of speaker wire...no amp so i got online and found this site........i coulda bought a new pair of shoes with that money....if my husband sees this joker hes in trouble.....
Kris Novak	East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
3/15/2011 Product or Service Involved: Image-Audio Pro Series I was washing my car at the local car wash when some guy in a van with a buddy in the passenger seat asked me if I lived around the area. Being the nice person I was, I offered my help with directions. Before I knew it, he started talking about this home entertainment system worth $2,999. He asked me what I would give him for it and I told him I was not interested. After telling him I was not interested, he kept asking me what I would give them for it becasue they did not want to go back to their meeting with their boss because they said he would just take it off them. I ended up giving them $200. With making a quick profit in mind, I took it to the local pawn shop where I was informed they were worth no more than 50$.
Kevin	Fraser, Pennsylvania
3/9/2011 Product or Service Involved: Paramax I was just filling up my car with gas at a local wawa after my classes were done. This was around 1pm, so it was a little crowded, and I guess since I'm a younger age from most of the people around I was more vulnerable. But they pulled up next to me in a Gold Minivan and told me they had some crazy news that would benefit me. And told me to back my car up so they could show me. They pulled out a Paramax ht-81, showed me the price in the magazine, and said they got 2 extra by accident and just wanted quick cash for them. The man doing most of the work was very in your face kind of guy, and when he asked how much money I had I told him $100 and only 10 in my wallet. He said I must have more than that, and told me to go check my account balances inside. When the receipt came out he grabbed it and said see look you have more than that. So i took out 200 dollars and paid them the 200, and than he asked for the 10 dollars in my wallet as well. Basically leaving me pennyless. I thought i was getting a great deal because the system they tried selling me was estimated at over 4500 dollars, so i was going to re-sell it on ebay or craigslist. After they gave me the box, they booked it out of the parking lot before I could even say thank you. That seemed kind of unprofessional so i looked it up when I got home. and found out it was a scam :(
Papi from East Stroudsburg	None, Pennsylvania
2/23/2011 Product or Service Involved: Imaage reference IG37 2 guys in white van with Jersey plates, I am sorry I did not take the plate number, one had a mohawk. They played it cool and showed me inside of the van. They said that they were looking for the court house but they were at the municipal building. Yes, they asked for beer money. I can look in the mirror and see the jackass staring back at me. Now I have to explain it to my wife.
Gene	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2/19/2011 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research Just to clear things up , even though Im in Pennsylvania... This white van speaker scam is a real scam. I used to do it about 12 years ago, but didnt know it was a scam at the time cause it was a brand new thing happening in this area. Theses speakers are stored in a warehouse that everyone involved in the scam would meet at in the morning. They would then load up the back of a van with a few different types of setups and have a fake distribution report showing that a certain number of speakers were supposed to go to a certain location, But on the disto paper it would say maybe that 5 pairs of "xx" and 3 "xz" were shipped out, but someone made a mistake somewhere and loaded 8 pairs of "xx" and 6 "xz" on your van with no account for. Therefore, you would be able to sell them for complete profit. Now where the price comes in: Some tower speakers cost the disto company 200 a pair. Having a fake made up picture catalogue stating that they retail for like anywhere from 800 - 1200 bucks. So you drive around and look for ppl who have "money" type cars, or if you think ppl look stupid and they are the ones you stop and tell them that you have an extra load of electronics and blah blah. Hence cutting a deal based on the retail. Would never do that sheeit again.
Tony	Erie, Pennsylvania
2/13/2011 Product or Service Involved: Davinci Audio Best Buy parking lot, Erie,PA. Feb12, 2011 Some nitwits pulled up and tried the scam on my dad and I I told him to take your stolen sh_t somewhere else and actually got into a fist fight with the one guy, it got broken up and they sped off with one guy following them to get their plates and me on the phone with the state police who couldn't be less interested.
Steve	Bensalem, Pennsylvania
2/4/2011 Product or Service Involved: Paramax P-512 In the box....showed me a lst price of 2999.00 they wouldn't take 200.00 so I said bye bye....they're at the Parx Casino parking lot
Scott	Greensburg, Pennsylvania
12/22/2010 Product or Service Involved: Paramax IM3 Not a white van in my instance, but a green van. Guy pulled his story, i gave him $200, but having "SCAM" in the back of my mind the whole time, but tried the benefit of the doubt, and yup, prick got me apparently. Still in box, never used, wonder how much that REALLY runs and I'll try to get my money back at least. BTW, I have the guy's PA driver's license from the van, its Pennsylvania plates HLB 8086
TONY GRASSO	connellsville , Pennsylvania
10/28/2010 Product or Service Involved: aramax im3 Guess what they'se guys are in Sowthwestern PA and just scammed me for $300 for a Paramax Im3 system. Who knows what I bought Hanging out outside the liquor store in a shopping center. .... Don't know wheat I bought...
Devin	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
7/13/2010 Product or Service Involved: Paramax Offered my girlfriend a job... Tried to say its legit but it is against the law.... Address of this scam i s 2400 Saw mill run blvd pittsburgh pa 15234 phone # 4128849484
Tone	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
6/2/2010 Product or Service Involved: Epic sound 5.1 I just bein duped! As soon i got out of the gym down by rosevelt blvd...som guy with a nj lisence place pulled up saying that you interested in buying some speaker...i said idk it depend how good it is...so i took a look the guy kept yapping abt please dont tell my boss like 20 time...like i shouldve knew that it was fake cuz why should i tell his boss if i dont kno him...so i asked him are u sure these stuff works and he said he would show it to me at my house and i said na thats ok...so he flash out this lil flashy book and went thru it nd show me the price of the speaker it was 2 thousand dollar...in my mind i was like damn i must get it...and his first offer was 600 dollars...i told him ehh im sorry i don't have that kind of money...so he was like ok why don't you make me an offer but just don't tell my boss...im like ok right now i only got 80 dollars on me...(really i had 100 dollar)...then he said 200...i was like i only got 80 dollars...he was like ok fine...then kept repeatly begging me 100 dollar like 10 time...i only kept my offer at 80 dollars so i gave him 80 dollars then asked him for his phone number so i can see if this guy scammed me or not and he gave it to me...then he started puttng the system in my car nd he said maybe we can grab a beer somtime..nd i said sorry i dnt drink...he said ok then ask me for another 20 dollar i still told him i dnt have it..so he said ok thanks anyway and took off...as soon i got in the car i got his lisence place number...so i went home looked it up and found out i was scammed..ugh so my 80 bucks went down the drain...wish i can do sutin to get him locked up...next time if u guys looking foward buying sound system...just stick with pioneer,sony or any of that kind of stuff
Brian Billups	Newtown, Pennsylvania
4/13/2010 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Calling this a "scam" is really a judgment call. I don't feel "scammed" because I did obtain a functional product. I just paid $200 for a 1000 watt home entertainment system with brand name Olin Ross OR-880 from 3 guys in a van in a parking lot. Honestly, its probably a somewhat fair price. Yes, they tried to get me for more money. Thankfully there was only $200 to get on this day or I would have paid more! They're cool looking systems and the catalog they showed me with the $2499 msrp seemed legit. But yea they use BS stories to get you to buy, but if you're willing to buy something off a van in a parking lot, blame yourself yo!!! These guys are just trying to earn a buck like the rest of us!
J	Bristol, Pennsylvania
3/22/2010 Product or Service Involved: Epic Sound Home Depot in Bristol, PA A guy wanted $300 for speaker system worth $1999... Gave $100 and got low quality set of speakers maybe worth $75... They do work...
juan leche	lancaster, Pennsylvania
3/1/2010 Product or Service Involved: paramax it comes in two boxes they state it is completely wireless and it has about 200watts
Bob	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2/27/2010 Product or Service Involved: Proteckniks lol I got beat on this as well same story as the rest I know there's alot of angry people on here but I just realized were no better being as half the people on here said they were gonna resell there items on eBay or craigslist for a huge profit I know I was. Either way I'm only out 100.00 which really isn't that bad concidering how much others paid . Oh well lesson learned
Jan	Lower Makefield, Pennsylvania
2/22/2010 Same as everyone else. White van stopped me in Superfresh parking lot. Boss would keep money if returned extra home theater set etc etc. Realistic looking magazine (alth' dated August 2008). Sealed box. $2700+ listed on box & in magazine.Realistic documents from local merchant in Bensalem,Pa showing "other" deliveries. Two young white guys. Tattoos in hands of one (did not see 2nd). Warranties etc. Gave me spiel about having a deal done at $800 with a guy at Home Depot but that guy wanted to give a post dated check. Did not expect to get $800 but asked me to make an offer. Stuff looked real but I was cautious and said I would only pay if I could see it working. At that point the guy said if I didn't want it he could easily sell it to someone else. I told him I was happy with that & walked away. Was experiencing doubts on my way home so I got on the net & found that I had just avoided a scam. Called the police but they did not seem interested. No call back from them.
John Doe	West Mifflin, Pennsylvania
2/12/2010 Product or Service Involved: DiVinci A guy in an SUV was driving around the Century Square parking lot selling DiVinci home theaters. He claims he was working for an electronics store who was doing a demo for Sirius XM, who gave him the systems as promo items. Has magazines showing the systems to be worth thousands of dollars. Trying to sell them for $600 a piece.
Eric Fluck	Allentown, Pennsylvania
2/2/2010 Product or Service Involved: Epic 7.1 Surround Sound Speakers This is the report I sent to our local News affiliation. I wanted to personally email the newsroom to tell you what I had encountered today, and maybe have 69News do a report on this SCAM. I was in the south mall parking lot after eating a quick lunch and a white ford explorer approached me to buy speakers, The person gave some crazy story how he had 2 extra sets of surround sound speakers, and it was his bosses car and had to get the car back. He showed me a FAKE MSRP of the speakers of 1999.99 and also some fake magazine with the list price in it. (I knew way before he even said hi to me this was a fake) I played along. They try to get you to buy these boxes of �speakers� for such a cheap deal but it is no deal at all, and according to the research I have done most of the time nothing but sand or rocks in the boxes. I said no thanks after talking with him for a couple minutes and called mall security to come and check this out. It just so happens he saw the security truck and sped out of the parking lot. This is TWICE this has happened to me and it was the same individuals. Is there anyway that we can get this scary situation out to the public. Some people do not have the internet or email and don�t know about this dangerous situation. There were at LEAST 2 people talking to this guy before they approached me.
DDDP	PHILA, Pennsylvania
1/30/2010 Product or Service Involved: EPIC 5.1 SPEAKERS EPIC 5.1 SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM,HAD BEEN STOP TWICE BY THIS WHITE VAN, TOLD HIM , HE SAID YEA THEY WORK FOR ME. TALKED REAL FAST N KEEP AT IT. SAID HE WANTED 800.00 BUT WOULD WORK WITH ME...I SAID ALL I HAD WAS 100.00 N THAT WAS IT. HE TRISD SO MORE TALK , BUT I STUCK WITH THE 100.00. NOW I WENT TO SEARCH FOR THE INFO ON THESE THINGS N CAME ACROSS THIS SITE....LOL HOW STRANGR THAT I HAD A BAD FEELING BOUT THEM. OH WELL, WILL KEEP MY EYE OUT FOR THESE WITE VANS !!!
X Speaker Guy	Bensalem, Pennsylvania
1/25/2010 Product or Service Involved: Avalon Distributors Listen People. This is NOT a SCAM!! Its a WHOLESALE business. They buy them at mass quanity and sell them for cheap. If you took the specs out of the speaker and asked a best buy or Circuit City to match a system to the system u bought, your gonna end up spending Anywhere from $600 to $1,000. So why not if you can get a no named brand of speakers or home theater system that sound f'n great and you paid up to $ 600 from the guys in white vans then your the one who madfe out. Most speaker companies have to pay in around $300 - $400 for the set of speakers they sold. SO FOR YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE THAT STILL THINK ITS A SCAM THEN DONT BUY THEM. DONT BUY THEM AND READ ONE OF THESE REPORTS AND SAY OHH I GOT SCAMMED.. DUMBASS YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING OUT OF THE SIDE OF A VAN. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT,.......
Tracy alfonsi	philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1/8/2010 Product or Service Involved: EPIC 5.1 Home Theater Sound system South Philadelphia, white van in Chili's parking lot on Oregon Avenue on 1/7/2010. 2 youngs guys. Gave cell phone number and I took the license plate number too. Purchased system for 100.00 he was asking for 500.00, so I thought I actually was making out on the deal. THEN I read all of these reports. How am I to know if I was one of the victims. The system is beautiful and looks like it was never touched and box was never opened. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with these systems? do they NOT WORK AT ALL??? how can I tell??????????
Brian	levittown, Pennsylvania
12/11/2009 Product or Service Involved: OLIN ROSS OR880 THIS SCAM HAS THE SAME STORY AS EVERYBODY ELSE. 2 GUYS IN A WHITE CHEVY UPLANDER STOPPED US IN 7/11 PARKING LOT ON NEW FALLS AND 413. WE ENDED UP PAYIN $200.00 FOR THE SYSTEM. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE ENDED UP SCAMMIN THEM. WE WENT UP TO 1400 ADAMS RD UNIT B AROUND 7:15. WE FOUND OUT FROM THE BUISNESSES NEXT DOOR THEY SHOW UP AROUND 7:45 EVERYDAY MON.- FRI. AND SURE ENOUGH THEY SHOWED UP 7:45 ON THE DOT. WE SEEN ON WHITE VAN PULL IN AND PARK CHECKED EVERYTHING OUT AND BEEPED HIS HORN 3 TIMES TO SIGNAL I GUESS THE BIG WHEEL THAT EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. AS SOON AS THEY ALL GOT OUT WE FLEW FROM ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. HAHAHAHA THERE JAWS DROPPED WE GOT OUT SCREAMIN AND THEY WHERE SPEECHLESS A PIC OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRICELESS. ANYWAY THEY ASKED HOW MUCH WE PAID AND WE TOLD THE $400.00. THEY REALLY WONT TRY TO ARGUE WITH YOU THEY DONT WANNA DRAW HEAT ON THEMSELVES.
Drw	Kutztown, PA, Pennsylvania
12/10/2009 Product or Service Involved: Orlin Ross OR880 About an hour ago a male and female in a white minivan approached me outside of my house and said they had a $2,500,000 sound system they would sell to me for cheap. I told them I was a college student and all i had was $300 to get through the semester with. I haggled them down to $250. They came inside my house and started hooking it up for me so I could listen to them. I told them they didn't need to finish and could leave. Thought I scored a good deal, but after reading this website I guess not. Two weeks until Christmas with no gifts for my family, and I selfishly bought myself a gift with all the money a have. I probably deserve this.
Henry Hill	West Mifflin, Pennsylvania
10/23/2009 Product or Service Involved: Paramax These are good people-they sell these speakers to make a living-It's completely legit!-They have an office on 2400 Sawmill Run Blvd in Pittsburgh-If you have any problems with the speakers you can easily get a refund at: 2400 Sawmill Run Blvd Pittsburgh, Pa 15210 I usually see guys there at 9am- I am not sure who runs the place-But they will gladly gve you a refund-
James E. Cawthern JR.	Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania
10/7/2009 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic pro cinema HD7.1 The guy that sold this speaker system was in a gray service van. Claims that he was going to Pittsburg to install these speaker systems and he had 3 of them canceled and he was willing to sell them at a loss. I purchased the system for $300 cash. The system are packaged in professional looking boxes. He showed literature claiming that these systems were manufactured by Bowes. When looking at the errors in there operating manual I became suspicious, the system is not working properly, there is on underwriters approval agency stickers on the equipment, no contact phone numbers in the manual or on the warranty card. If anyone has any information about this guy please contact me at jeciai@zoominternet.net
Bonnie	West Mifflin, Pennsylvania
10/2/2009 Product or Service Involved: Home theater This is in response to the So called scam Tom posted on 8/24. The white van with HHR 8109 is my license plate number and I dont sell speakers. Id appreciste it if you would take my info off your website. Im New to Pittsburgh and dont need negative attention from Police. So maybe next time you post something on the Internet make sure you got your facts straight. Thanks, Fell free to contact me at Bonitamaria19@aol.com
Tom	West Mifflin, Pennsylvania
8/24/2009 Product or Service Involved: Paramax Same story as so many others retell on this site. I can't believe this has been going on since 2001 and i never heard of it... although buying speakers from the back of a van is not the best idea anyways. 2 guys in a white van next to me at a red light yell over, i open the window - they mention a $4,599 stereo system they have an extra they'd part with just to get a little cash rather than take it to the boss. We pull over at Steak N Shake near the mall, one guy stays in the passenger seat and doesn't speak (latino lookin dude), and the other's a white guy with tattoos on his forearms. They say they're on the way back to the office, and the delivery from earlier in the day had 2 extra systems that "weren't on the invoice" - and they're just trying to get some cash. told me a guy offered them $800 but wanted to pay by check and they didn't wanna take a check. They brag about the expensive houses they're installing in, show me the magazine with them in it, i go to check online on my phone and he's quick to pull up the Paramax website (which is obviously a front). This is one ELABORATE scam, that's for sure! Greed got the best of me - thinking i could have one nice cheap system, or resell and at least get my cash back if indeed it is a scam. i was in a real hurry, but they lured me in, even with the whole beer money thing that others tell about. I'm typically a guy who does my research before a purchase, but the fast talker got the best of me - it was definately an oscar winning performance. i've gotta roll with the punches though, at least the system actually works and sounds half-decent. i called the police to report it after i realized it was a dumb move on my part but they said there's nothing they could do. anyways - it was a white Ford E250 PA Licence plate # HHR-8109. i'd love to find these assholes. a sucker's born every minute, and this was my fifteen minutes of fame by a landslide. I'm trying to pass the word to friends, who one told me they saw these guys on McKnight road the week before. Next time around, I'll call the cops for sure on the spot. Although i'm not sure legally what can be done! MSRP on the system i bought was $4,599. What a joke. These guys have definately changed my outlook on some things.
Paul	West Chester, Pennsylvania
8/7/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross MICHAEL, if you read this contact me at pj.felicetti@gmail.com. I got scammed by the same two men in a silver mini-van with the same plates. Your information and testimony will be a great deal of help.
I scammed the white van, what now	Bensalem, Pennsylvania
7/19/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Ha, I found their stupid ad in the newspaper saying "SALES!!! MAKE 800-1500 IN A WEEK" or youll see "ROCK AND ROLL SALES, MAKE 800-1500 A WEEK!" so I got the job, scammed them for a set of towers and two surrounds. Play their game with them, and make them pay!
maleec	Monroeville, Pennsylvania
7/16/2009 Product or Service Involved: DoVinci DV-505 ran into these guys paid 250 now I've researched one thing left to do try out the equipment read some good things mostly read bad ones. Hope this works out for me. As we all know, it is a gamble when scramblin out the back of vans.
STFO - CHEAP SPEAKERS - STFO	None, Pennsylvania
7/16/2009 Product or Service Involved: STFO - CHEAP SPEAKERS - STFO Speaker manufacturing company wants to cut out the middleman. We can beat the price and quality of current wholesalers. New product lines will increase sales! Referral incentive program! Email: lee@speaker-factory.com
Dan	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
6/24/2009 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Got pulled over buy two guys in white van at the Buy n Fly on Campbell's Run Road. The dude, whose name is Shawn Kerr, had a real good story. Said they were down the way in Thornburg doing an install and the order was changed so they had to dump off the extra speakers. Showed me the brochures, all that stuff. Got me down to $200, walked with me to the ATM, asked for $20 for beer for "hooking me up" with a great deal. Knowing what I know now, this dude had the pitch down pat. Get home, try to flip these speakers on eBay, only to find out theyre selling for about $50. I had a receipt for Avalon Distributors, INC and a phone number. I called the number, no good really. I was able to find where the warehouse was and took the speakers back. The guy inside cut me $200 from a stack of I'd say an easy $10,000. The kid who conned me on the speakers even unloaded them from my car for me... He says "Hey man what happened, you didn't like em?" and I go, "No, they didn't compare to my Cerwin Vegas, enjoy the beer." So if you guys get scammed buy these guys, remember you've got 3 business days to get your money back by law, and this is a shady operation, so these guys want to stay as far under the radar as possible. I'd even recommend telling them you bought them for more than you did and turn the tables on them...
Derek	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
6/23/2009 Product or Service Involved: Orlin Ross OR860 5.1 Sound System Was just duped about 2-3 hours ago. I was leaving shoprite on ridge ave. (Roxoborogh) when these two white guys in a white van roll up on me with a deal I couldn't refuse. Showed me the magazine, new system still in box, invoices, etc. Ended up paying $220 (200 for system and 20 for beer). Called my friends to brag and they advised me to do some internet searching. Talk about deflated!! Gonna take it as a loss. Thank God I didnt pay more to those hustlers. Gotta respect the game though. Never again will I pay something like this without proper research. I have to admit, it looks nice and I am curious just what it really sound like.
Robert Bendtsen	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
6/20/2009 Product or Service Involved: Da Vinci Home theatre system I was sitting in a Target parking lot in Monroeville Pa, when 2 white guys approached me with the story. Their boss has ordered to much inventory and they had to get rid of it before they returned to the warehouse. We negotiated price until we settled on Two hundred dollars. Now what do I do?
Zack	Elmira, NY, Pennsylvania
6/16/2009 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Pro Cinema HD 7.1 Home Theater System This is a basic home theater system that I recently picked up at a cancer benefit auction. I am unsure to who donated it to the cause, but it is despicable. I paid $500 dollars for this low-quality system. After some research I found out this brand just does not exist. Upon bringing the system home found out that even some of the box listings are not correct. It claims to be HD but then there is no HDMI input. I guess I should have checked out the specifications a little closer before placing my bid. Other than this I am unaware to how they were purchased exactly but has to be in this general area. If anyone knows anything, I would like to find a way to return this horrible system and buy one that is actually quality.
dave	philadelphia, Pennsylvania
5/11/2009 Product or Service Involved: acoustic pro theater thx7.1 Van has come around before. Got a few guys at a shop down the street 2 or 3 days ago. I decided to get even with them so I bought a home theater system for 300 bucks. I told them I had no cash but I had my check book. Wrote check for 350$ as soon as he left I cancled check with bank. Now he can cut his loses,sue me (costs about 150-300 depending on filling fees,court fees,gas for all the driving) and probably lose or come back and get system back (too late its already given to a friend). its been almost a week and nothing so far. I'll keep you guys posted
mike d	Reading, Pennsylvania
5/8/2009 Product or Service Involved: Paramax Same deal at Wawa parking lot. Got me for $400 and $20 for beer money. What a sucker I am. Silver van Young skinny white guy driving, young short guy about 20 dark complection and silver tongue did the talking. Using same script as reported below. Catalogue and box says MSRP $3,499. Probably woth about $100. Went looking for them later....no luck.
Rich	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4/24/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross I was sitting at work and got a phone call from my friend. I usually do not answer my phone during work, but I did this time. He told me that 2 men were trying to sell him Olin Ross speakers for 300.00 that were originally 3,000. I jumped on the internet and found this site. Thank you all for your help, and sorry for your losses.
Kenny Donohue	North Wales, Pennsylvania
4/23/2009 Product or Service Involved: olin Same scam....two guys....great deal....im out 400....i feel soo dumb
Michael	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4/20/2009 Product or Service Involved: ORIN ROSS OR860 Two white guys in a silver van, PA license # HNB 4626, approached me in a service station parking lot and and asked if I was interested iN some high quality stereo equipment. To make a long story short, the blond haired guy gave me a real suckers deal on a great home entertainment system worth $2, 495.00. After getting home and checking on line, I discovered I was out of $300.00. I thought to sell the system at a profit but instead got a nice looking system thats worth nowhere near the cost these two guys said it was worth. I feel like a fool. I knew it aounded too good to be true.
Benz	Springfield, Pennsylvania
4/17/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Was approached by a couple white guys in a pickup truck at the local Target. "Hey, bro, we're going to get in trouble if we bring these extra speakers back to the warehouse--boss is going to think we didn't install them and were going to rip him off and with the recession on...", blah, blah. First time I had anyone approach me with this hustle in about 10 years. Just to f*** with them, I talked them down to $150, then pretended to call my bank to do an account transfer. Of course, the "transfer" didn't get authorized. Told them "sorry" and left. Only wasted 30 mins of their time hehehe. Ironically, two days ago, I was junk hunting and picked up curbside a great gaming PC w/ no hard drive, a working DVD/VHS combo player, and----a pair of the amplified tower Theater Logic 2450 speakers these clowns were pushing a few years ago. Bass decent, midrange passable, tweeters WAY too bright--my $30 computer speakers sound better but don't look anywhere as cool as these things. Maybe I'll use 'em after all. Other than that, I found they were worth exactly what I paid for them--NOTHING!
Tobius Reaper	Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania
4/7/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Filling up at a gas station, these two guys come up to me in a white van and asked if I wanted a high end home theater system. I asked, "how much?" The driver said, "Come and take a look then make me an offer." I went over and took a peek at the system. It looked legit, but there was this nagging in my mind that said get out. This'll teach me to ignore that nagging again. Anyway, I offered $200. The driver gave me a magazine and said it retails for $2500 or so. I offered again, $200. "How about $700?" he said. I'm a stubborn bastard, so I said, "$200." "500?" he said. I said, "No, 200." "350?" I expected him to go that low, and was willing to pay that, so I accepted on $350. I feel like a fucking dumbass right now. The jokes on them though. I got their license plate. PA plate: GCR-1991. White Chevy Uplander. The driver said he was going to Quakertown, which is several miles to the north west of me (I think).
Perry de Jager	Haverford, Pennsylvania
4/2/2009 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image Tsunami series Can you believe my surprise? I bought these speakers from the same white van, a few years ago. Being from South Africa, the speakers were in storage for a long time. I just found them, again and as I recently bought a home theatre centre, I thought I may use them as speakers in other rooms. Well, now I really feel stupid.
in carnegie	carnegie, Pennsylvania
3/25/2009 Product or Service Involved: RDX dx-9 I was approached at the sunoco station on w. mian in carnegie by a white guy ,late twenties with a blondish mullet. He was driving a tan SUV with West Virginia plates. Said his boss told him to sell the system for the best offer he could get. Said they were worth 3000.00. I offered 500.00 thinking he would laugh and drive off. He then strted the sales pitch, magazines and cataloge. I was fooled. He followed me to the bank and even came in when I couldn't get the money from the ATM. I asked if they were stolen. He assured me they were not. I have contacted the police but if anyone has info on where these are coming from i.e. ware house where I might try to make a return please contact me at 412-788-4405.Leave message on machine. Good luck to any others who have lost money to these people.
Joe blow	Whole east of PA and Jersey, Pennsylvania
3/19/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Watch out for Avalon Distributors, now known as Alliance distributors. Its a scam. The speakers are shit. And if your stupid enough you will pay alot of money for them
Erik E.	pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
3/17/2009 Product or Service Involved: Divinci 6.1 same story as all these. Two idiots saying they have extra inventory except this time they were in a blue saturn with a rainbow bumper sticker on it. I was walking out of the rite aid in penn hills and a guy named shawn asked me if i wanted to buy some speakers i was a little disturbed by the question but he looked harmless and sounded like he was gay because he had a lisp so i didnt think he was trying to rob me or anything. Anyways they started out asking for 800 but i ended up buying them for 100 bucks.And during the conversation they asked me what kind of prescription i was picking up and i told them it was for oxycontin for my back pain, anyhow the kid shawn who had a mullet and looked like white trash,started trying to give me more surround sounds for my pills and i told him no way because i needed them because of my pain and that i was just in a car accident, but he wouldnt give in and started talking weird and started offering me a certain kind of favors if you know what i mean and i tried to explain to him that i didnt swing that way and that i was happily married. After about 5 minutes of this junkie homo begging me i started getting pissed off and finally got in my car and drove away. The speakers were actually well worth 100 dollars.
Allen	south side, Pennsylvania
3/10/2009 Product or Service Involved: RDX I got hit buy some guys in a black extended cab silverado. I bought the system for $350 it looked nice and was marked up something crazy. I came online when i got home to do some research and when i typed in RDX in google speaker scam came up and my heart droped. I went out looking for the two assholes who scamed me, I spoted them in a wendys parking lot and was about to go up to the truck but i saw the two guys kissing. I wanted to laugh but it pissed me off more becuase i got scamed by some homos. I figured i would just come bash them online and report them to the police. Watch out for The Black truck i think thier names were Ben or ken and the fat kids name was Pat.
Jess	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/5/2009 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch K3 5.1 Home Surrond Sound It wasn't me who was scamed it was my father! I told him when he brought them home I think it's a scam but he told me he got a deal! (ok) Anyway now he's out of work and needs some extra cash he asked me to put the speakers on ebay but when I was doing research for pricing I can acrossed this site! The same thing as everyone else 2 men in a van makiing it sound like a great deal! This just pisses me off that people are doing this to hard working people all I can say is what goes around comes around I hope someone get these guys and makes them regret ever doing this to everyone they riped off!
Pissed off	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
2/18/2009 Product or Service Involved: Divinci Speakers These same punks just beat me for 250. Southside in Pittsburgh BP station. They were in the same blue 2003- 2008 Saturn Ion, 3 door coup. Watch out the dude is good with his words and clearly has a script. Said "I have these great extra speakers, I work for a wholesale custom speaker store that has extra inventory". And then he asked for extra money so him and his buddy could get a case of beer (New Castle).
STFO-CHEAP SPEAKERS-STFO	None, Pennsylvania
2/17/2009 Product or Service Involved: STFO-CHEAP SPEAKERS-STFO Chinese electronics manufacturing company wants to cut out the middle men! We can beat the price and quality of any wholesalers your currently buying from. Currently in USA for a few weeks. Email: lee@speaker-factory.com
Keith	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
2/16/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross These faggots just beat me for 250....anybody else recently...i want my shit back i kno u do too....im fuckin these dudes up...email me....sauceda57@yahoo.com
Nick	DuBois, Pennsylvania
2/8/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Surround Sound System Well, my dad called me from Wal-Mart parking lot saying he bought a new surround sound system. He said he bought it from two guys selling speakers in front of the doors to Wal-Mart. So, he came home and I immediately looked at them and was like Okay so I wonder if these were really worth the $200 dollars he paid for them. Well, I Googled them I found "white van scam" and looked at them know and behold it was the same thing. They've worked okay for now I still have the receipt which lists the fax number, phone number, Avalon Distributors Inc. ETC. They do thump hard though, but I wouldn't put more then 250 watts through them. I don't care its my dads money.
T	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
2/2/2009 Product or Service Involved: DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass well i was copping a ps3 out at a bestbuy, my friend and i just purchased it and was walking out to our car after purchasing it. and two young white guys rolled up on us in a blue car n told us they had nice sound system for cheap, looked in the back of their car n there was a couple of systems, they said they got overstocked and they gotta push these... it felt like a scam sorta but damn i was i need of 1...they wanted 2 know how close to a grand i could pay to them n i just quickly said 250 thinkin i was playin' them.....i guess i was played, im in college n money doesnt come that easy
JRG	Lebanon, Pennsylvania
1/29/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Same thing happening now in central PA. Probably different guys then those from NC but still the same ol scam. Someone is behind this. From what I saw and reading the other articles theres always a rough looking body guard kind of guy in the passenger seat, hmmm I wonder why?
Scammed in Steeler Country	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
1/29/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross 703 Series Tower Speakers If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Just a heads up that they are now here in Pittsburgh and claim to be Duquesne Students. Light color mini van with PA license plate #GXY9544. Last seen in the parking lot of Giant Eagle grocery store on the North side of Pittsburgh.
Jason	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1/28/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Location: Pennrose Plaza, Lindbergh & Island Ave, Philadelphia. Yep, they got me too. Same story as the others. They actually had a red mini-van. Got my attention after lunch at Subway. Extra speakers, showed me the reviews, packing slips. They took the speakers out of the box...they looked nice, of good quality, and I was fooled. They got me for $250. My bad for trying to get a deal...just couldn't help myself. Searched internet on this brand when I got back to office, and found out it's a scam. So has anyone actually tried these speakers?
Jamal	Radnor, Pennsylvania
1/23/2009 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross or 830 So I was grabbing my lunch at Taco Bell... I know, I know, How could I be so stupid to buy speakers from guys sitting in the parking lot of Taco Bell. Same story like everyone else... 2 guys in a van from Avalon Distributors called me over and told me that they had speakers for sale. Apparently, they had some extra speakers in the order for their boss and wanted to make a profit. He really tried to up sell me and asked me for 800 bucks. I gave him 200 for the speakers. It was pretty legit and I even showed the speakers to my coworkers once I got back from lunch. Even they thought that I got a good deal. In the end, I was the idiot that was buying speakers in Taco Bell
jack	oxford , Pennsylvania
1/14/2009 Product or Service Involved: divinci d-710 same 2 men black suv extra spesker had paper work ya ya gave them 200 and rolled i feel i got scammed but what the hell
alaina scherrah	new Kennsington, Pennsylvania
1/14/2009 Product or Service Involved: orlin ross surround stero system complete stero system for surround stero i was at the bank and was approached when I came out two white guys peddling this stero system from the trunk of their car telling me they were going to set this didplay up and the people who hired them gave them two much equipment and wanted to show them to me, as a sucker that is born every minute i saw, and bought them for 400 dollars, never thought nothing of it until I read about these folks in California getting scammed like me and I live in PA, they move fast on their rollar skates don't they.
bill	Jamison, Pennsylvania
1/13/2009 Product or Service Involved: olin ross 703 same story.. two guys in a white van had extra speakers, they just wanted to get rid of fast. I got scamed for 220.00
Brandon	Bensalem, Pennsylvania
1/9/2009 Product or Service Involved: Orlin Ross Two white guys in a white van approached me right in front of the local Walmart. They gave me the same story that the factory gave them extra speakers and they wanted to make a little money. Supposedly they were going to the strip club. They were cool guys. They offered me two tower speakers or a home theater system with like 8 speaker and a sub. I told them I had a system but that the speakers were nice. They even opened the box and showed them to me. The speakers were heavy and high quality. They said $600 and I said hell no. Then I said all I had on me was 200. They said they need at least $400 so I said $350 and we had a deal. I went inside to the Walmart to take money out and got $300 from the self checkout, the guy even had me buy him some gum but he gave me the money. So that�s all I paid. The speakers sound GREAT! Comparable speakers would be atlest $1000+ so I feel like even though the speakers weren�t theirs $300 isnt bad for great sound with deep bass that I can feel in the next room!
JON	hazleton, Pennsylvania
12/13/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross sound systems This is just a msg for the scammers I bought your shit for 200 ..... Now take that 200 and buy a pistol because if I see you again I am taking every dollar yous have I carry a .380 automatic at all times and you may remember the rifle in the back seat of my car. This is my post to give you fair warning Id get out of the hazleton area preety fuckin fast sometimes you dont know who your scamming Im the guy you dont wanna rip off cause now how you look for people to rip off Im gonna spend my time looking for you Kia Sedona Plate # GWH_6483 Im coming and when I take all your money it will BE A MERRY CHRISTMAS Expect gunfire HO HO HO
Tim	Reading, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania
12/11/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross My dad was at Sheetz gas station today, when some guys approached him in a van saying they had a double order from a job they did setting up systems at peoples houses. Thet said the system was worth way over 2500 and showed him a magazine to "prove" it. They told him 800 and my dad said he only had 200. So they were like you know what merry christams ill give it to u for that. I looked online and found numerous scams the same. So be careful these bastards are out and about in the Reading/Sinking Spring area.
Tom	Carnegie, Pennsylvania
12/8/2008 Product or Service Involved: speakers Why are you guys complaining, I love these speakers, got them for $250, they look great, and they work. Everything comes in the box, if you need new cables get new cables, it's not like it's just this brand, Sony sometimes doesnt fit your tv either, thats why they sell different cables for them. The only reason you're complaining is that you heard it was a "scam", sure the "retail price" of them is a lie, but you're paying for what you get, maybe a little more, but obviously they can be talked down.
sTeve	Bensalem, Pennsylvania
12/2/2008 Product or Service Involved: Help Wanted Posting on Yahoo! If anyone wants their address they are advertising on Yahoo! MY gf asked me to check out if the ad was a phony or fraud. I just did. They are in Bensalem on Adams Avenue. The phone #'s go to Avalon Distributors. The info is below: Avalon Distributors Inc 1400 Adams Rd Bensalem, PA 19020 (215)244-0939 (215)589-8860 Good luck. If I was scammed by these guys, who I always see in Wawa on the US1 in Trevose in the morning around 8am, I would stake their place out and beat the sh** out of them in their place of business.
john	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11/28/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Same deal as most. Two guys were given extra system by distributor by mistake. $3999 system sold to me for $260 and had another system to get rid of. Gave me cell Phone number if I wanted it for $200. I looked it up and came across this scam page. So I called them and told them to meet me to sell me the other. When their greed got them to come back, I pulled out my Smith and Wesson .40cal and demanded my cash back. I wanted to jack them for their shit and cash, but decided not to stoop to their level. If they give you a number, call and exploit their greed.
J.T.	Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania
11/25/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Me and a couple buddies were filling up at the Buy and Fly in Chippewa, when a white van pulled up and told us that they had some extra speakers that they needed to get rid of. The one told us his name was Travis. The other was a bit** and didnt talk. I new something was up but my buddy insisted that it was fine so he went ahead and bought them, he ended up paying about 100 bucks give or take, and went to buy an amp for them to work. still waiting on word about the quality of them but i wont be suprised if they suck dick. DONT BUY!!!!! take down license info... paper work or whatever. Also the man provided a recipt for Avalon Distributions Inc. in Oakdale. 724 695 5300. Gave cell # 760 333 1596. Man also stated that he was from California, but moved here.
Brad	Media, Pennsylvania
11/21/2008 A friend of mine got scammed out of $500 by these guys last year. I knew another person that got scammed by these guys back in the mid to late '90s. They even tried to get me a few years ago. But i knew all about it..... Two guys in a van pulled up to me in a parking lot...as i'm driving mind you....shouting out to me, blah... blah... blah... speakers! I told the guy, "no thanks, i'm not interested" and tried to drive away, but he wouldn't stop. Still pitching to me...until he finaly ending it shouting, "HE DOESN'T WANT THE SPEAKERS!!" throwing his hands up in the air, like there was a crowd of people or something. Retarded! Anyway.....Today i was sitting in our work van in the Wawa parking lot, waiting for my coworker to get his lunch, when all of the sudden a chamapagne color Ford Excursion with 2 white guys in it pulls up right in front of me. All crooked and in a hurry. The driver jumps out, goes straight to the back of the SUV, talking to someone who i couldn't see, and opens the back. Then i see the guy walking over. I'm guessing that they flagged him down and waved him into the Wawa. So i'm just sitting there watching.... The passenger is still sitting in the seat just looking around sucking on his lollypop while the salesman is busy with his pitch. I see him pull out the magazine/brochure, shows the the guy the boxes and everything. I can't hear what they are saying, but i immediately know it's the same 'ol speaker scam. I was about to tell the guy not to do it, but he disappeared. Either figured it out for himself and told them "no thanks" or went into the wawa to get money. I'm not sure. So i called the cops and told the dispatcher that i was watching the "speaker scam" going down right in front of me. 2 squad cars showed up in about 30 seconds! The cops talked to the guys, looked at their crappy products, ran their ID's and tags and everything. They must have been clean, because they let them go. I guess the best way to stop them is to spread the word. Just tell everyone yu know not to buy anything from the back of a truck.
brett	newtown, Pennsylvania
11/17/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross speakers Same exact scam that's been posted. They showed me the speakers, asked me how much I'd be willing to pay, I wittled them down to $200 for the pair that was listed for $3100, etc., showed me the fake magazine, asked for 20 bucks for beer money, etc. It happened in the middle of the day around noon in the parking lot of Bank of America in the Genuardis shopping center in Newtown. Thankfully I didn't bite because this situation just screamed shadyness. Be on the lookout! Once they knew I wouldn't bite, I saw them approach the next guy walking by.
Brenda	Hermitage , Pennsylvania
11/13/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross tower speaker My husband was in Lowes parking lot and was approached by 2 men in white van They talked him into giving them 120.00 for 1 speaker.
Jessie	Hermitage, Pennsylvania
11/13/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross 703 series Same thing that happened to everyone else that got scammed. Two guys pulled up in a white van and had a truck load of olin ross sound systems. They said they were retailed at $3100 but he would sell it for $800. I got it for $120. If anyone has any suggestions about getting the money back, let me know. I don't know if I should call the cops since it happened today...
ron	bridgeville, Pennsylvania
11/11/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross OR6050 theater speakers I was at Raceway plaza shopping center in Heidelburg just leaving Wal mart and pulling out of the Lowes parking lot when I was approached by 2 young white males in a tan or white mini van asking if I was interested in a home theater system. They pulled into a parking spot and opened the door of the van to show me the inventory they had left that they had to unload before they got to the installation site because if they showed up with the extra speakers that the installers would take them and sell them on E-bay because the installers had seniority over them. They said the speakers were already paid for and this happens to them only a couple of times per year, and they only had a few minutes to unload them and wanted to know how much I could offer them. They said they went to college at Duquesne and needed money for rent. Well, after asking the kid like a ton of questions about it and under the impression that the whole home theater was in the box including a Harmon Kardon head unit I had agreed to get them 300$ from the mac machine. So they followed me there and the whole time I was thinking this gotta be too good to be true. So I got the money, he put the box in my truck, and something came over me. I had all the stuff taken out of the box to make sure it was there which he was happy to help with, and not to my surprise there was no Harmon Kardon head unit. He played it of like we just had a misunderstanding but then I knew this was no good even though the speakers were beautiful looking and they looked very high end, even to me a home theater enthusiast. He actually wrote me a receipt from his store AVALON DISTRIBUTORS, INC. for the So called warranty but I never gave the money to him and I put the box back into his van and apologized to him and his buddy for wasting there time and he then asked if I would take it for only $200 and the tower speakers for an extra $200. I said no thanks and boy am I glad I did. I came home only to find all this stuff all over the internet about them. Lesson learned!
John Smith	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10/28/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross I was in the home depo in Delawere County when two men in a white van asked me if I want a home theater for my home that was worth 3000.00 I talked them down to 300.00 bucks and they took the offer. I went home and pluged it in and it rocks I understand I did not get what i payed for but to be honist to me they sound like a 3000.00 system very clear and nice looking to. Maybe this was not the same scam because the dudes i bought from gave me a 5 year warinty with system olin ross 880 i dont care what its worth IT ROCKS and cant belive the chinise made such a kick ass system JOHN
Bigdummie	None, Pennsylvania
10/17/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis G-6040 I just got scammed! Piece of crap Genesis G-6040 home theatre system. Three guys riding around in a red Ford F-350 with Michigan Plate # CA-75430. Shoot them on site...please !!!
daniel	manayunk-roxbourgh, Pennsylvania
10/9/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross suround sound system same story as everyone else 2 younger white guys in a white mini van pulled up as we were working on ridge ave near shoprite.showed us the surround system and speakers and they looked really and marked msrp 2490 and 3295 for speakers.i told him eveytime i buy something outta a truck i get scammmed ,so he shows me a invoice with his name on it and even shows me his drivers license so im hooked now (lol)right.he said he would take 700 for both,well i run in shoprite to tap mac and only wind up with 650.i offer 650 cash in hand and he wants the other 50 as we are waiting i told i had to call my wife but instead call a friend and asked him to look up the prices for me.at 1st he could not find the site but them wham he tells me about 2 guys in a white van beating people for these things.i turm around and tell them this is a scam and boy did they get the hell outta dodge quick .THAnk god the greed got to them over the other 50 bucks otherwise id be out 650......
Steve	Warrington, Pennsylvania
10/4/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross OR860 5.1 Speaker System Same as everyone else; two shady characters in a white van pulled up to me on my way to my car outside Lowes. They told me they installed high end speakers for a company called Avalon Distributors and due to a mistake, had an extra speaker system available that was paid for in full (which they showed me on an invoice). They said they wanted to get rid of them for cash so their boss wouldn't find out. I normally would laugh at this absurd story, but before I had a chance they showed me Widescreen Review magazine which had (what I later realized to be an advertisement they paid for in it) listing the ridiculous prices for the speakers. I told them I didn't have any cash. They pressured me that this is an amazing deal since they retail for $2495. I told them I could come up with $200. They said they'd take $300. I agreed. We drove to my bank and the guy convinced me to give an extra $20 for beer since he'd given me such an amazing deal. As I drove away the fear that this was all a scam swept over me. When I got home I googled the model (Olin Ross 860) and my heart skipped a beat when everything that came up mentioned FRAUD, DO NOT BUY. I have since been attempting to at least make a decent effort to get my money back, inform people of this repulsive scam, and try to get the media/law enforcement to put these guys away for fraud. If you're a victim of this in the Philadelphia area, please post on here and maybe we can get some attention paid to this as a group. By the way, I've been doing extensive research on this worldwide scam and have come up with a lot of info on the "distributors" and the ringleaders involved. The companies have vacated their distribution centers in Feasterville, PA as of a few months ago. I'm trying to track down where they are now. Apparently they have a big warehouse at 5903 Emilie Rd in Levittown, PA. I'm going to check that out soon. I'll keep posting.
Petey	Southampton, Pennsylvania
10/1/2008 Product or Service Involved: Addition to last post - The white Kia minivan license was PA# gwh6483 not the number in my last post.
Petey	Southampton, Pennsylvania
10/1/2008 Product or Service Involved: Home Entertainment System with Projector Approached on Street Road in Trevose by 2 individuals yelling out their white Kia minivan PA license# gwh6438 for my attention. They asked me if I wanted a "home entertainment system with a projector". When I told them I was not interested in their scam (I was scammed a few years ago) they persisted to yell until I acknowledged them again. I told them I was not interested and the driver told me he was going to "beat my ass" if I did not listen to them. I was polite, listened to what they had to say which was the exact scam on this forum, then said I'm really not interested. They followed my vehicle side by side for about 1 mile then turned off onto a different highway.
TABIAS THOMPSON	PHILA., Pennsylvania
9/25/2008 Product or Service Involved: OLIN ROSS WAS APPROACHED BY 2 GUYS IN A WHITE VAN I BOUGHT THE SPEAKERS FOR 200 HE SAID THEY COST 3100 AND HE SHOWED ME THE MAGAZINE WITH THE PRODUCTS IN THEM ALSO SHOWED ME THE WEBSITE
joe	willow grove, Pennsylvania
9/22/2008 Product or Service Involved: Theater Logic L5ti 2 men in a van sold me a home Theater in Home Depot parking lot. Didn't work. said he had a left over from a job. Showed me a paid invoice. I was taken.
john doe	pittsburgh , Pennsylvania
9/22/2008 Product or Service Involved: white van anyone that got scammed by sean or a james in the pittsburgh area contact me by e mail goldieisgood@yahoo.com was a former friend and got the 411 on where to find them and since he beat u guys his girlsfriend name is shannon her private line 412 607 2834 make sure you ask for sean tell him u got deals on oxycottins and he will meeet u where ever thank you and for more info e mail me have a nice day and seans bark is alot bigger then his bite
Adam Foster	Erie, Pennsylvania
9/19/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis I was in Erie, PA at a gas station off of I90. Two guys pulled up in a white van saying that they had to get rid of this speaker system, total worth over 5 grand. They showed me brochures and catalogs. Looked legit. Two males, one was molatto and a very good salesman other was a stocky, stupid, weird looking white dude. They had to sell them or return them to the warehouse. I almost bought them, something told me not to. So glad i didnt!
David Mattos	Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
9/16/2008 Product or Service Involved: Divinci D-6 Bass surround sound system Today at about 2:30 p.m. in Stroudsburg P.A. i was leaving panera bread from having lunch there with my wife and child and was Flagged down while trying to leave parking lot to check out "awesome surround sound equipment extras". Well, i bit, and proceeded to check out merchandise,which was all nicely sealed and packaged. He proceeded to show me the system out of a box that he opened. Looked somewhat cheap but i'm not a electronics wizard so it looked legit so to speak.. To make a long story short, I ended up giving him $450 and i went straight home to check it out. WELLLLLLLL,now the story unfolds. I take everything out of the box and realize that it was VERY cheaply made and smelled like spray paint. The speakers worked but sounded like 50 watt speakers and sub instead of the reported 1200 watts. Got raped and felt like puking. I called the local police and gave em all the information i knew so hopefully these chumps stop scamming people that think when things sound too good to be true, they are sometimes true, THEY ARE NEVER TRUE. I'm gonna go vomit now..
Taylor	None, Pennsylvania
9/4/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross OR860 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross OR860 Same story, was in the parking lot of Home Depot, when my husband and I noticed two caucausion males trying to sell the system to another guy, he was actually the smart one. The one who said no. We purchased the set for 250. Thinking we made a great investment. Hubby first said no, but I insisted and he said ok. I felt bad afterwards like something didnt sit right, so I came home and googled it and sure enough, we found out it was a scam. I deserve exactly what I got, nothing good comes from side deals, and I just hope that we run into them again. I should have followed them, but hey I was just happy to have a new system. Yeah they were in a silver van and dressed in uniforms, with baseball caps on. Said that they're boss didnt know extra stereos came and they were just trying to get rid of it. Cause the boss was just going to turn around and sell it himself to his friends. Showed us a magazine with the system in it too. I did more researching, the system costs 24.95 from China and thats with shipping and handling. I so pray to run into them again.
Mr S.	Leesport, Pennsylvania
9/4/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Media Labs 2 guys in a van pulled into Redner's Leesport lot and said they had $4000 home audio system that was extra from an installation job they had in Shillington. They "wanted to return in to their bosses, but the last time they did that the guy just kept it." So they wanted to make a few bucks off of it rather than do that or give it to their "customer." Foolishly, I gave them $300 for it, thinking maybe it was either good stuff, or I could resell it. Really I just got double-talked out of $300 in cash. I don't know how to get that money back or get rid of this equipment now.
Javier Gonzalez	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
9/1/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross 5.1 Two men came to me as I was pumping gas in Wawa and offered me a deal that I thought was a bargain. They offered to sell me a set of 5.1 home entertainment stereo speakers claiming that the speakers were extra from an ordered shipment made by their boss. I bought the speakers for $425.00 and asked them for their number so that I could refer them to my friends incase they were interested in also buying. As I was on my way home, I called one of my friends and told him about the speakers that I had bought. My friend told me that the speakers were fake and that I was robbed as he looked up the name brand of the speakers which were called Olin Ross. While driving past another mall, I noticed another van with 2 different men trying to sell speakers to 3 other people. I made a U-turn and pulled over and warned the 3 people about the scam. Infact, of the 3 people, one of them were about to handle the 2 men money. The 2 men got very angry and cursed me out. I cursed at them back and they fled with hostility. What I learned is that the white van scam is not a pair of hustlers trying to make money, but an organization that travels from state to state. A few weeks later, I was driving and happened to pass by the same two idiots who robbed me while they were hustling two people. Again, I did a U-turn and this time, I grabbed thier license plate number. Here is their license number: New Jersey XM-24LY. Because I wrote the plates quick while holding traffic, I'm not really sure if the L in the 24LUY is L or if it's the number 1, but the rest is for sure. Please invesitigate these 2 men and notify me A.S.A.P. Thank you
A. Hill	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/29/2008 Was walking thru the parking lot of a local shopping center in Northeast Philadelphia, when I hear someone pitch the 'Hey wanna get a home theater system? My boss overstocked.' The guy they were offering too declined, and then they gave me a slight verbal exchange because I pulled out a pen and paper. The van this time was a more silver/grey, but the premise was the same, just want to give another sighting and warning to those in the Philadelphia area.
Michael Steed	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/28/2008 Product or Service Involved: Surround sound speaker system Three sneaky looking white blokes pull up in a white van and say," Hey Bro today is your lucky day." Now since I'm black and these cats are white, i'm already suspicious. See I know damm well these three guys riding shot gun in the front of a van ain't some of Sanata's elves looking to give a brother a break. So when they say," Hey bro you want some free speakers?" I walked up to them and said, in my finest business voice," uh no thanks I'm cool." and kept on strutting. I can't beleive this scam is still going on, I guess Barnum was right when he said," A sucker is born every minute."
Thomas Lighty	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/23/2008 Product or Service Involved: Home Theatre Projector tv/Prodigy L5ti I & my brother too was taken by the two guys in the white van scam at Home Depot. They said the norm about having too many units, showed magazine articles, blah, blah, blah. They even came to my home to help me "hook it up" but of course they had to get back to the "office" and would "come back the following day, just call me at this number". As I was cleaning up, my wife reluctantly told me that she looked the infomation up on the internet because she said it was the way one of them looked at her when they came in that made her feel uneasy. I was surprising her so I didn't want her to come down the basement but I should have noticed the look on her face as I now know to be her vaguely remembering hearing about this scam! I will share info if I get any but in the meanwhile, you live and you learn!
anonymous	erie, Pennsylvania
8/14/2008 Product or Service Involved: dream audio works / genesis media labs after getting off work at walmart my boyfriend comes into the store to greet me with the news that someone offered him $2500 speakers for only $500. tired as i was i went to check out what he was talking about. a guy and girl in a red ford f350 with official looking dream audio works shirts on started fast talking me about a set of speakers. they pulled out magazines and invoices. they told me to 411 the company and ask if it was legit. i was tired and left it up to my bf who decided to buy. after getting home, i found it was all a big scam. long story short, i want to know if i return everything within 72 hours can i get my money back. i have seen this in several places regarding ohio which is where the guy said the office is located.
Jake S	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/9/2008 Product or Service Involved: L5ti Same as everyone else... two guys, one van, "extra speakers", Guitar magazine value of a whopping $3,500, ended up with a less than $150 dollar sound system for $500. damn...
jonathan Duncan	Shelocta, Pennsylvania
8/8/2008 Product or Service Involved: Jonathan Duncan two guys approached me with a deal on speakers I got hustled bad.
Justice	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
8/6/2008 Product or Service Involved: Speaker info Alright. I worked for these guys a couple of years ago. (Three years ago to be exact). They told me, the speakers are supposedly retailed for over a thousand dollars, but in reality w/parts and labor, assembly, are worth no more than $20 dollars. Yeah, don't trust these guys. I feel partly bad that some of these dudes have families and are trying to support them with this B.S. Alot of the people I worked for had criminal records and warrants out for their arrest. Sell drugs on the side too. I know where their offices are in Imperial, very noticeably stripped down just incase they have to abandon ship. I even went to "Diamond" Dave James place in the South Side of Pittsburgh. Complete scam artists that have no direction in life and sadly are continuing to do this stuff. Don't fall for this. If these people come up to you or anyone you know, ignore them, or call the police.
ryan dunnigan	Hazleton, Pennsylvania
8/4/2008 Product or Service Involved: Olin Ross Do not buy shit out of the back of a van....... Two men in a white mini van came up to me in front of a groceries plus store asking me to check out some home speaker system they were selling cheap. They claimed they were sales reps for the Olin Ross co. and somone messed up on an order and they had an extra system they were selling. So i looked at the system and on the side of the box it said msrp $3,100.00 so im thinkin wow too much 4 me till the man said how much u got ill work with u. he said it was like a free system 4 him but if he took it back to his boss would not let him have it that he would just take it for himself. then he said give me 150 and ill give you 2 tower speakers which also had an msrp of $2,800.00. so i figured ah what the hell this has to be a good deal, so i took it. Later when i got home i searched olin ross on the computer and there is a web site with all the prices. which were very high so i was thinkin man i got a steal. i got a steal alright... So i yahoo,d it after that just to find out some more info and thats when i seen olin ross white van scam..... so here i am pissed off typing this article. DONT BUY SHITTY OLIN ROSS SPEAKERS OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER OUT OF A SHADY WHITE MINI VAN. THE END
Jason	Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
7/21/2008 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Prodigy Series K602 Speakers I didn't buy them but someone has them on craigslist right now with a link to the krisch web page. they are cheap speakers and other webpages have reports about them being white van speakers! I posted a msg warrning people about the scam but someone flagged it. http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/ele/763848639.html
matt	york, Pennsylvania
7/11/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross or703 two guys white van
Greg	Pittsburgh, PA, Pennsylvania
7/11/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Labs Two men approached me at Home Depot in East Liberty trying to sell me these speakers. One was named Shawn, showed me the magazine with the $4000 retail price. Email me, I'd like to find these guys ASAP.
jonathan	conshohoken, Pennsylvania
7/10/2008 Product or Service Involved: olin ross I was going to my car after grocery shopping at the Giant supermarket on ridge pike and butler. two guys one white one hispainic aproched me in a white mini van about how they are instalers and recieved a double order of goods from there supplier and wanted to sell them for a few bucks. "what ever is fair," I purchased an "OLIN ROSS" digital cinema 5.1 ch home theater system. It was packaged in what appeared to be an appropriate box. I opened it and it was all there (subwoofer, center, and 2 fromt, 2 rear speakers) When I got home I couldn't figure out how to assemble it. I called best buy and they told me the sub woofer should have a power source because it draws a lot of energy. I googled "OR6050" the modle # and imediatly saw the scam alert. I feel like a total schmuk. this scam is now in pennsylvania. be ware.
Taken	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
6/5/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Media Labs Model G-608 Scammed in parking lot of Home Depot (4640 Roosevelt Blvd). Two white guys (sales guy and driver) in white van. Bought receiver and speakers for $420 ($400 + $20 beer money) from the $500 offered. They had other units Genesis products in the back of the van, they could not "sell". Sales guy name was Sean (267-697-2275). The usual story as I've come to discover. Two extra units were shipped and they wanted to sell them before their "boss" found out. Had an shipping invoice and everything. Just be aware and walk away.
G	wexford, Pennsylvania
5/28/2008 Product or Service Involved: palermo speakers 6.1 That sucked. White van with 2 guys. speakers in a Green box. They aren't really that good when you look at them but in the moment you get excited and don't think it through. They have no tools in their van and a lot of the stuff they do is shady. They were at the sheetz in wexford pa. They stopped me when i walked out to my car and gave me the extra set spiel. I payed 400. They work but i don't know if i can set them up all the way and they don't sound very good. If there is any way to report their liscense plate number and get them caught then do it. It is YVM-3595 on a blank white van.
John Doe	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
5/9/2008 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch K803 I successfully returned speakers to the Feasterville location. The secret is: 1. Deliver a COPY of their receipt within three days to their mailbox AND/OR 2. Show up at the warehouse NO LATER THAN 7:45. That is when the speakermen assemble, and when the boss is actually present at the office. 3. Have the speakers with you, and say that you do not think the speakers are worth the amount you paid. Do not say the speakers suck, as some of them may get offended. Apparently they really believe that their speakers are good. 4. I also drafted a complaint that I was going to threaten them with, but I did not have to use it. If you want a copy of the complaint, email me at xytj5@yahoo.com
Neil	Plymouth Meeting , Pennsylvania
4/30/2008 I was approached by two guys in a white van while exiting a supermarket in a strip mall in Plymouth Meeting PA. The van pulled up to me as I was entering my car during my lunch break. I had heard about this scam so as soon as they ask "do you want to buy a surround sound system for your television" I replied "no thanks - I'm good bud". Plymouth meeting metroplex outside of Giant Market. Unbelievable that people fall for this.
John Doe	Northeast Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4/29/2008 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Same story, paid $300, I guess they're worth like $250 on ebay, but I wanted some speakers. Prob would have saved fifty bucks if I bought them somewhere else, but they sound pretty good, I'm a satisfied scamee. Wish I had paid $200 though.
Mack Hable	Lancaster, Pennsylvania
4/17/2008 The White van scam happened to me twice in Lancaster, PA. The first time was in the mid or early nineties; I was south of Lancaster and pulling out of a convenient store and a guy leaned out the window and said, "hey! you look pretty cool..blah blah... speakers?" I actually parked and got out to look at what they were selling (all this was in plain public view, but the area was pretty slow at the time) and the guy even showed me an invoice or something and said, "they're legal".. I laughed and said, "I believe you", then he talked about price and stuff for a little and then he said, "don't worry, I'm as nervous as you are".... I said, "why should I be nervous"? Then I explained to him that I had no money and that he should try downtown--if I had known it was a scam back then I wouldn't have said that.. the second time was a few years later at Park City Mall; two guys (not the same ones) tried to flag me in the parking lot and I found a cop and told him there was a white van and guys trying to sell speakers to people and he said, "yeah, we know-- they're legal".. Creepy looking guys, those first ones I talked to. The one guy was wearing obviously fake contac lenses (light blue, icy) and really freaked me out. Beware these people.
none	New Castle, Pennsylvania
4/15/2008 Product or Service Involved: Palermo VA6.1 Parking lot @ shopping center Neshanock Twp. New Castle Pa. White GMC or Chevrolet van selling Palermo VA6.1 surround system. Two young men who must be actors trying to sell excess systems to people in parking lot. What a story they deliver to you. Don't be deceived.!!!!!!!!
Pitt Panther	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
4/13/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Media Labs I was approached at gas station in oakland in the early evening by a guy named scott, steve or sean (cannot remember it) and asked if I was interested in buying a G-6030 home entertainment system... I purchased them for 300 based on the 3000 MSRP I was shown in the professional looking brochure. He gave me his phone number, which is (412) 607-6955. Post here if you have seen this guy or have any information, because although he gave a number he isn't picking up, not overly surprising though.
TLG	Wynnewood , Pennsylvania
4/2/2008 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Media Labs The salesman approached my adult son with the pitch that he could buy a couple thousand dollars worth of a suround sound speaker system that would be great with a high definition television. They would sell it to him for $300. Speakers came in an authentic looking box. The cables were missing. The cables are not sufficient to go into a high defintion television. After gonig out and buying alternative cables he got the front two speakers working and can't get the other two working, which I have now read is common. I understand from reading reviews on the net that it is not capable of producing high definintion sound from a new TV and that would certainly seem to be the case. Has anyone determined where these are coming from?
Donald Siko	Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
3/21/2008 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch These are now being offered Craigslist in the Harrisburg area. Beware. www.kirschloudspeakers.com Kirsch K3 Procinema Series,new in box!!! 5.1 surround sound with AM/FM tuner. Chrome metal cone speakers for dynamic sound quality. (See insert for specifications.)Retail Cost is $2500, will sacrifice for $350.00 Won't last long.
eddy	philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/20/2008 Product or Service Involved: kirsch like it was said on all the blogs the guys sounded very convincing.they said that the kirsch k3 5.1 sournd sound system waz worth about 2500 dollers i kinda had a funny feeling adout it but talked to them any way they told me that a thousand dollers was a great price.to make a long story short i bought them for 200 bucks it sounds good when i play my i pod through them but nothing to rant and rave about.i payed 200 for a sound dock for my i pod and i think that the junk speakers sound a little bit better.just wanted to give a heads up about the sound quality i wouldent recomend paying anymore than 200.bucks for them it was a shady deal and i kinda new it .i had them for about a week and played hem hard like two to three hours at a time and they still work good JUST WATCH YOUR SELF NOT WORTH A THOUSANDOR EVEN FIVE HUNDRED TWO IS ABOUT ALL I THINK THERE WORTH
K.G.	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/4/2008 Product or Service Involved: DiVinci DV-505 Well Well Have not opened the box yet but I'm crying b/c I just read all of these posting. Was approached today and offered a $3500 DiVinci DV-505 for $600 after all said and done agreed on $350. It was the same game as what I've just read; put on truck by accident,the boss B.S. and here's a receipt. What a DUMMY I am. I never buy anything off the street.........Something to remember If it sounds to good to be true...then it is.
frank v	IMPERIAL, Pennsylvania
2/25/2008 Ive been approached repeatedly by these guys in white vans all around the imperial, pa and oakdale,pa areas- usually while i am pumping gas. its come to the point where every time they pull up next to me, i just blurt out "let me guess...you were putting these great speakers into an expensive house and they ordered too many".
Casual T	Royersford, Pennsylvania
2/23/2008 Product or Service Involved: sony these men asked me to buy speakers and i said no...later they had a very attractive woman ask me to buy speakers and if i did i would be very grateful...i said how is that and she said let me show you...she took me around the side of a burger king building and gave me a blow job just to buy 2 speakers...i couldnt resist and bought 2 speakers after she sucked me off....scam or no scam i was pretty satisfied
chuck conrad	punxytawney, Pennsylvania
2/17/2008 was not succered in but was approached by 2 men in a white van selling speakers
J. King	Erie, Pennsylvania
12/21/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch First off thanks everyone for posting, I almost got ripped off by these same guys. Theres a few different people doing it in Erie right now. A guy in a white van was yelling to get my attention while I was at the ATM, talking about how he was a speaker installer and he had a couple of extras that the other guys at his company would have dibs on if he didn't sell them before he got back. He showed me the magazine listing the MSRP at $2800. I went back to the bank and got $200 and offered him that and he took it. Originally he wanted $800. I took the speakers home and looked up the model number before I even got them out of the box. The google search actually found this site in the top 4. I had wrote down the license plate number just in case (Pennsylvania plate YRM 2512) , so I threw the speakers back in my car and took off in the direction that they went. On the road they were on, leaving frm my small town, they were headed to the highway. I luckily took the correct direction on the highway towards buffalo New York, and after driving about 5 miles saw the van passing through the toll booth. Couldn't tell it was them until I caught up with them (luckily not getting a speeding ticket on top of being scammed). It was their van, matched the plates, and they drove another 12 miles or so and got off on an exit heading toward another small town. My license in new york was suspended so I would have been screwing myself to flag them down to the side of the road so I followed them another few miles until they stopped at a gas station. I blocked their van in with my car and confronted them. I was by myself and they had two guys so I kept it simple. Give me my money back, take the speakers, and I won't call the cops. They gave me some bull about having all of the receipts and whatnot, but finally took my offer and I got my money back right there. I thank everyone on here for posting, if I hadn't have looked it up in the internet right away they would have screwed me too. I'm going to write something to the local newspapers or call one of the television stations to try to get some local publicity on the situation so more people don't get scammed. Unfortunately its impossible to prosecute this sort of thing but awareness might help the public stay informed.
Anthony Gillermo	Hazleton , Pennsylvania
12/5/2007 Product or Service Involved: Palermo Home Theater VA.6 There just run of the mill speakers all fancied up. Apparently they have a piano wood finish and are huge. Have yet to try them out but from all these posts apparently I shouldn't even try. sigh...
Jimmy Big nuts	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
11/17/2007 Product or Service Involved: Genesis tower speakers I read these articles and was ouraged. I knew I was scammed!!!! Didnt even hook em up,, just tried getting a number or some way to get my money back. I went through the whole schpeal and they got me for 350. Then I figured I'd cut my losses. I hooked them up to my Onkyo receiver and let me tell you.....I was actually impressed!!! I feel though if you pay over 400 then you are kinda getting the shaft. But I have already compared them to Infinity and Polk towers and they are comparable,,if not better, Hook these things up before you jump the gun.
Nathan Strauser	Glenolden, Pennsylvania
10/26/2007 Product or Service Involved: divinci approached at a gas station - asked if i "wanted to buy a theater system" - msrp 3700 for the divinci 606 or 607 - stated extras from the distributor - Anthony was the person who talked to me - he gave me his cell phone number 267-984-0268
Peter Piper	Anywhere, Pennsylvania
10/24/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch & others Scroll way down to 3/14/2004 to read a report (actually a confession) submitted by someone named "James" who says he was a "speakerman" for five years. He admits the whole thing, but claims that it is all 100% legal and of course it's the same thing that all companies do, and then tops it off by trying to justify the whole operation by blaming the victim! He also reveals the classic "con man" techniques they use. This all pretty much tells you what low-life, scumsuckers you're dealing with. Here's an excerpt of the speakerman's confession: "If you got expendible cash and your greedy, you're gonna pay $1000 for the set. If you still got more cash, I'm gonna double-set $1500 ya. We play off of YOUR greed. YOU wanted the deal. Why did you pull over? Cause your life is miserable and you want to be part of something exciting. Its the excitement and the thrill of the kill that makes you pull over. If I notice something your wearing, in your car, on your car that I can relate to, I'm gonna become your friend....or so you think. Build a trust." Pretty sick, eh? If you want to read the entire disgusting screed, look for the date 3/14/2004 below.
Joe	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10/24/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch 5.1 system Driving home from work, on the boulevard us1 south. Someone is yelling at me from a whit van as i am driving, yo dude ,yo, you want to buy some speakers? i said no, and kept driving, then i thought maybe it's not a scam? so i asked them to pull into the pakring lot at the italian bistro. we got out and i siad i have a friend who needs a surround sound system, they showed me the stuff and i said i woulkd call him later in the week, and asked for his card. he studderd and said uh i just have a cell phone, i said that's cool my buddy gets paid on friday and he wants this thing for the eagles game on sunday. he smiled and asked his friend for a piece of paper to right on gave it to me and i left. . products where kirsch loud tower speakers, 5.1 kirsch system 600watts and 1000watts, kirsch subwoofer, and some other kirsh product. here is his number - 267-319-6638
Mr Abele	Pittsburgh/Greentree/Dormont, Pennsylvania
9/5/2007 Product or Service Involved: Genesis Labs Yea, I feel completely retarded. I had never heard of this scam before, maybe cause i grew up in hickville, Ohio. Anyway, I was going to the bank in Greentree, Pittsburgh, and as i was at the ATM a white van pulled up and the guy asked if I wanted to buy a speaker system. I said "maybe" thinking maybe I could get a deal. He shows me the speakers, the magazine, and gives me a spiel about how they got extra speakers, they wanted them for 600, i said best we I can do is 400, i split them with a friend. I havnt even hooked them up yet and I've had them for about 6 months. As soon as a friend told me about this scam I immediately bursted out in angry and disbelief, I guess thats what I get for bing so fallible. I believe the guys name was Shawn, they had a decal of their company on the side of their van. Now that I know about this I almost just want to go hunt for these guys.
Mark	Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania
9/4/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Set of Kirsch tower speakers. Retailed in a "magazine add" for $2800 tried to get $800 out of me. Very very aggressive wanted to move these speakers like crazy. Offered them $100 for the pair. He came back at me with $200. I didn't want these speakers, and a friend of mine got scammed before this way. After about 15 minutes of bargaining, we couldn't come to an agreement and they drove away. White Chevy cargo van with Virgina license plates. BEWARE!!!!!
Matt Sanderson	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/31/2007 Product or Service Involved: divinci Two guys in a white van came up and tried to sell me speakers. They told me they were worth 2,000 and showed me a magazine ad and stuff to go with the speakers. They asked me how much I could pay and tried to get as much as possible out of me. They even gave me a phone number and were aggressive about their sales pitch. I paid them and bought the system. This was in Northeast Philadelphia around Allegheny ave.
confused	pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
8/22/2007 Product or Service Involved: kirsch k702 I fell for the same thing as everyone else and I paid more than most but in the end I got the best pair of speakers I've ever owned! I paid 800 for two kirsch towers and honestly I'm really happy with my purchase. They definetly sound better than my existing speakers which cost around 1000 bucks. I find it to be a little odd that all these posts are negative and nobody else likes these speakers...I wonder if the folks at scamshield don't post the positive feedback and only let us see the negative.....surely there has to be others that feel the same way as me.... Sure these guys use some deceptive sales tactics but so do a lot of companys and major corparations. The way I see it these guys do the same thing as most companies trying to sell you something... They put an inflated over priced msrp on a product, build value with a sales pitch n hype it up then discount the price... The only difference is it doesn't look as professional. Instead of using a pitchman on a commercial or a big store with pretty lights,music, and discount signs they take their sales gimmick directly to the consumer with more or less gorilla style tactics. I guess its easier to be upset at some guys who sold u speakers out of a van that fully function with a reciept and a warranty than it is to be upset at the way this whole country operates... Buy low sell high and make a profit...yea I checked e bay and saw my speakers going for three hundred but I have a valid warranty and a proof of purchase from avalon distributors and I've already spoke to the manager about a refund or warranty work if something goes wrong and they seem very polite and proffesional. For those or u who just jumped into this site without hooking your speakers up and trying them for yourselves before returning them you may or may not have missed out on a good buy but I know I'm happy:-)
The Mom	Ardmore, Pennsylvania
8/16/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Loud Speakers/Surround Sound System My 18 yr old son was approached at a local convenience store (WaWa on Lancaster Ave. in Ardmore)in our Philadelphia suburb. He was given the standard story you describe by 2 young "delivery men" in a white van. They claimed the 2 tower speakers plus the surround sound system were worth $3100. They offered to sell them for $1000; he said he only had $750 - which they accepted gladly. I do not see the Kirsch name listed in any of your named scams. Kirsch does have a web site, and they are being sold on Craig's list and eBay for anywhere from $250 to $2000. Any information on the loca PA distributor site for Kirsch would be appreciated.
Jason Hurst	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/13/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch K803 I was approached by two guys in their early 20's today when I was leaving for a meeting. They told me that they had to unload these speakers. They showed a magazine that showed that their resale value was $3100. I too was greedy and thought I could unload them. I ended up paying $500. I was very hesitant so I wrote down their license plate number. I just filled out a police report, but the lady made me feel like an idiot. I thought that they'd be able to look up their license plate number or something. Any help would be appreciated. hurst_13@yahoo.com
Stephen Batchelor	Aliquippa, Pennsylvania
8/3/2007 Product or Service Involved: Genisis Described on e-bay as manufactured by bose but with a genesis logo on it. Retail price $3999.00 1 main unit with 5 speakers
Justin Addicott	Union Twp, Pennsylvania
8/1/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch K702 Loud speakers I was on my way to Walmart and these two males stopped me and asked me if I wanted to buy speakers. They showed me the brochure and said they would lower the price to $300.00. The only thing I can say to help is that the kid told me what college he goes to and he knew someone that I knew... He even went to the bank with me and we could use the camera on the bank machine to get a ID on him... Idk I really need that money because Im trying to buy a car and that was pretty much all my money and now im gonna have to work so much more to even be able to get close to buying a vehicle someone please help...:(
kim	pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
7/23/2007 Product or Service Involved: kirsch my husband was in a part store parking lot when they approached him.He paid 200 dollars because he thought he could resell them which we found out he couldnt.They were telling him they are worth 2,700.
Ed	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
7/20/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch Speakers I happily paid $300 for 2 Kirsch Speakers. I never asked for a receipt, never checked the licence number of the WHITE VAN, and didn't even look too closely at the glossy brochure's description. I saw in the brochure a value of $2600.00 for the speakers and was immediately hooked by my sense of GREED and STUPIDITY. I deserve what I got as I had planned on selling them through ebay and making a good profit. Now, with my knowledge of the speakers true value, I could never sell them to another party. ALMOST all of the details described by SCAM- SHIELD participants mirrows my experience. I was outside of a Commerce Bank in a shopping center (Grant Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard) when pulled over by two twentyish white males. One individual stayed in the van white the other speakerman smooth talked and fast talked the many wonderful features of my Kirsch Speaker surround system. Thank you for reading my confession. Any help in regaing my $300.00 loss will be appreciated. Thank you. Ed- edmary215@verizon.net
Robert Hagen Jr	Robinson, Pennsylvania
7/18/2007 Product or Service Involved: Kirsch loudspeakrs K702 I was coming out of a tanning salon and a white van pulled up with two white males inside. I was approached verbally from the van window and the man asked if I would be interested in some good speakers. I was a little hesitant in that a random person would contact you from a white work van trying to sell speakers to you. I was a little interested. When the van pulled in a parking space the man went on with the usual information I have been reading. He pulled the speaker from an unopened box and showed it to myself and friend. When looking at the speakers he pointed out the aluminum speakers that would last longer than normal speakers and the subwoofer on the side. He presented himself as an audio installer for a company that works on sports stars houses. He did mention that he had the extra speakers and how much cash I could come up with. I did end up buying them for $300.00. What a fool I am. I figured for a comperable set of speakers with those options I was making a great buy I came home hooked them up and they sounded ok but to my dismay I saw that this is part of a scam and I am one of the many worldwide suckers. Please let me know if there is any way of finding the people responsible for the scam for a return. Wow never again.
John C	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
9/6/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dalhton AVS 5.1 I got these guy, who came up on me, down to the $60.00 bucks I had on me. I took it home, & was thinking they look nice. The manual stated "Monster Cable Needed" I got some, hooked them up, for 60 bucks, they rock. I thought the sub-woofer wasn't sounding so "Crossed-over" I took the back off to find a 10" x 1" circuit board. Not the 10" x 4" they stated... All legit, got a warranty, Receipt, & even talked to steve. He said If I wanted my money back, come get it. Here's the funny part, the receipt I got was for $400.00, not the $60.00 I paid. I packed it up took it back & got $340.00 more than I started with, I got an Altec Landsing 5.1 200 Watt Surround sound with the money... I scammed the scammers out off..LOL Good Luck, & next time buy from the STORE !!!
Caileigh Cox	Yardley, Pennsylvania
8/19/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dalton Speaker I've read the comments on this website... This is the second time I bought speakers from T & M. The speakers work great and I get a lot of compliments on them at my house. If you took them to Best Buy or Circuit City and compare with their speakers they are just about the same for a much lesser cost. The only thing that is fishy about this is they sell them out the side of a van.. but hey... they offer receipts for returns and a good product at a good price. So why is everyone complaining?????? Do you complain when you buy something at a flea market.. where they do not offer receipts? Everyone has to work to make money if you have personality to go up to complete strangers on the street and ask them to buy speakers.. and you make money meeting people.. power to you. In fact the two guys that sold these last pair to me told me about this website and I pulled this site up on my laptop with them there with me.. and I still bought them. I work hard for money and if I see a good deal... I grab it. Sorry for those who see this as a scam. But I would have to disagree.
J.B.	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/19/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton 1550's Same deal as others. License Plate #YNJ-4501. Victory!!! After coming home last Friday to look on the net and find out about how great my new speakers were I was dumbfounded to find out how stupid I was! I even stopped to buy some new CD's to crank when I got them hooked up. Rage is the only way to describe how I felt once it all set in. Thanks to this site I was able to track down T & M Enterprises. The only address I found them to still be operating out off was 601 E. Pennsylvania Blvd.in Feasterville, it's right off of Street Rd. All the others had been closed down, probably because of too much heat. If you got a reciept bring it, they have to give you your money within 3 days of purchase. Make sure you open the boxes and say you didn't like the performance, feeling ripped off for price is not a grounds for getting your money back. Also, I'd get there at about 8:30 in the morning to make sure you catch them at the office. Be as calm as possible, if you threaten or cause too much trouble you may make them want to fight with you about it. Good Luck y'all, fight the good fight! Don't be ashamed, we all got rooked here, the only shame is not going after these ba$tards. I've already filed with the BBB and have called and sent emails to Fox Undercover, I'd love to see these SOB's squirm on TV. They are a bunch of punks, treat'em like it.
Rick S	Newtown, Pennsylvania
8/18/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Unfortunately I fell for a scam at the local 7-11. Three guys started honking and did the whole thing (which has already been described enough, no need to type it all out) and ultimately convinced me to buy these "great" speakers for $400. I got their license plate #, PA: YHP 8118. They were in a white van.
Patrick Kelly	None, Pennsylvania
7/30/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahltonkv1550 I was approached at the intersection of busleton and cottman avenue in NE Philadelphia by two white males approximately 25 years of age, driving a white van with pa plates YNJ-5421. I purchased 2 tower dahlton speakers for $320.00. I wrote down the tag number just in case it was a scam.
James Griffiths	Norristown , Pennsylvania
7/23/2004 Product or Service Involved: Unknown I was at an ATM on this date, white van speeds up behind my car, guy in a raspy "surfer dude" voice says, "Hey, I have some of those tall thin and black high quality speakers. They're incredible. You want them?" I said no and they speeded off. Obviously part of this scam...
Dude	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
7/22/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Speakers KV2500ti I was getting gas at a gas station outside of the city, and these guys pulled up in a van and told me that they had some extra speakers that they were taking back to the warehouse. They said that they were extra and already paid for, that nobody would miss them, so they just wanted to make a little money off of them. They hit me up for $800, but I told them no way, can't affors, don't want them. They dropped it to $400, then $200. They wouldn't get off my back or leave me alone. I didn't know what to do, I tried everything. It's not like me to buy into things like this, but I ended up giving them $200, mostly to get them off of my back because I was late for a very important appointment. As I was driving away I had a huge case of buyers remorse, so I called my wife tell her what I had done. We decided that everything would okay if we could sell them on ebay for at least what we paid for them, thinking that they were nice speakers, but as she was looking for information on them, she discovered this website. I'm so pissed off because I have a family that I have to provide for, and I just got ripped off big time, but not because I was trying to get a good deal or break the law, I got had, big time.
paul	stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
7/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: dahlton Son of a bit-h they got me i bought the dahlton 1550ti for $440 but i also got there addy i will get my revenge.
Tony	Norristown, Pennsylvania
7/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton 2500 speakers Same scam. White van with two guys and a girl in their early 20's stop me in the Norristown K-mart parking lot. The driver jumped out of the van and did all the talking (must have been teaching the other two how the scam works). This dude was incredibly hyper like he was on speed. Same story, they had had given him two extra sets of speakers by mistake,I figured it was a scam but then he showed me a full page ad in HDTV magazine with the speakers advertised for $1250 each.Got me for $250 bucks.
Tice	Norristown, Pennsylvania
7/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 2500 ti Was approached by two 20-ish men, as well as a woman, in the Wal-Mart on Germantown Pike in Norristown, asking if I wanted to buy some speakers. I listened to the pitch, checked out everything, and ended up buying one (left) speaker for $147. The talker's name was Corey Hand, very hyper kid. Same shtick everyone else reported, had the slip "signed by his boss", magazine, etc. Titty bar, beer money, blah blah blah. I feel kinda stupid, because I've shot down quite a few scammers in the past, but these guys got me. I did not get a receipt, however, am I still able to get a refund from the local distributor, sans receipt?
Steven	West Chester, Pennsylvania
7/13/2004 Product or Service Involved: Unknown This occured about an hour ago in the West Goshen Shopping Center in West Chester, PA. I almost fell for this several years ago in Wayne, PA, so when the kid in the white van asked me if I wanted to buy speakers, I said "I already know that one" and they drove off. Should have gotten a license plate #...
Igor Zelfon	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
7/1/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton AV 5.1 THX Home Theatre System Two guys in a brown van with a company logo all over it "T & M Distibutors (215)949-8801" pulled up to me and told me that they received an extra set of Dahlton AV 5.1 THX Home Theatre System speakers and they would like to get rid of them so that they don't have to go back to the distributor. They then showed me their invoice with their company name and everything and shower me a brochure where the speakers are listed for $1,499.99. I walked away, but then came back, took a look at them and ended up paying $250.00. I just learned that it is a scam and they are worth maybe $50.00
Howard	Ardmore, Pennsylvania
6/17/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton AV 5.1 THX Subwoofer / Satellite System They got me in a parking lot in Ardmore, PA while walking to get lunch. It was a white van with a cracked passengers side window (though the police officer I made a report to said that he was approached locally by a brown one by while off duty). There were two young white males, one with short blond hair, other dark hair that called me over. I paid $250.00. The receipt has T&M Enterprise, INC. at the top with two locations listed: 601 E. Pennsylvania Blvd., Feasterville, PA 19053. Phone: 215-364-0175, Fax: 215-364-0176 And 47 Coles Road, Unit 1, Blackwood, NJ 08012. Phone: 856-228-0100, Fax: 856-228-0400. The Receipt does say I have 3 days to cancel this transaction but I called the Feasterville location and right now they are closed for the day. I will try again in the morning (I didn't feel like leaving a message) and if I don't get results I will go back to the police. I am also reporting this to the BBB, etc. Their is another address down in the Notice of Cancellation Form at the bottom of the receipt but It has no phone number and a miss print in the zip code. Never the less it's: 1400 Adams Road, Bensalem, PA 109020 (should be 19020) I suggest you do try to get a police report filed for this. Also this scam is illegal in most parts of the country the police can and will often write them up for something such as a violation of local ordinance or if there is something wrong with the vehicle and tell them to get out of town. The company's website for the speakers is http://www.dahltonloudspeakers.com/ Please email me at tiggycat5@yahoo.com with any experiances you have had with getting your refund. Thanks.
Cody	Imperial, Pennsylvania
6/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: dahlton approached after leaving the gym with a great deal on speakers... i checked it out he showed the magazine ad for 1,800/ set. said they were extra! So i gave $500 for 2 sets of the Kv2500ti and 1 5.1 surround sound set... thinking i just scored 5,000 worth of speakers for only 500... Now i am reading that i just got taken for a sucker. I just purchased these tonight so i was wondering if i could get my money back within 3 days. I have a address and company name that they work for including both of their names. The compay is Avalon Distributors, Inc. 307 High Tech Drive, Oakdale, PA 15071. 724.695.3414 Let me know if you guys have any ideas or suggestions! Thanks for your time
Tony	Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania
6/10/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Speakers So, here I am, a 21 year old college student, walking to my car. Happy that I rocked my classes this semester, men with tiaras on could have told me they were fallen angels... instead, I got two satanic worshippers in a white van bearing gifts... Dahlton gifts. Too young, too gullible, and wayyy to quick to hop onto an opportunity to make a quick buck, they swindled me into buying everything they had (the towers and the 5.1 system) for a cheap $400! WAIT! Don't forget the $25 beer money! I was so happy that I gave them a grand total of $425 (when I can't even afford beer for myself!) My thought on my mind was, "Oh man! I can sell these and make a profit of at least a $1000!" Luckily, before I sign any contracts, I read them. At the bottom of their receipt, in fine print, I read the beautiful words "...returned at the seller's expense and risk." I head home, hop onto Ebay, and see that... someone is auctioning their Dahlton tower for ... $9.99!? The rest of the prices were similar. Thinking "Oh damn! I think I just got scammed!" I searched for "Dahlton" on Google and low-and-behold! WHITE VAN SCAM! Pretty pissed, I quickly got in contact with the company T&M Enterprise, Inc. I told them, "My mommy got mad at me... waaaah!" And I shipped the speakers back to them. LEGALLY, they have to pay me my $425 back, because it was within the allocated three days that I requested a refund. Oh yeah... and the shipping... I made sure I did overnight for the 100+ lbs of goods (in this case... crap) which came to a whopping $150! I guess the scam artists got taken this time. FedEx will LOVE the extra cash that I made them.
Sam	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research Speakers So I'm looking for some summer work while home from school and I come across this ad in the local paper looking for drivers. So I call up the number and head out for an interview the next day. They throw me on one of these trucks and we drive out to near Youngstown, Ohio. I sat on a crate all day in the back of this van and we drove around the entire day trying to sell these speakers. They will only accept cash or trade, you can't even write them a check. We only sold one set and got $750 cash and a arcade game of Galaga. When we got back to the warehouse one guy had gotten some DVD's, a watch, a ring, a mace, and a pair of sneakers for his sale. This was the shadiest thing I had ever been a part of. These people will work their butt off to try and sell you one these things, and they aren't even good speakers. Tell all your friends about this so we get these bums off the streets. Needless to say I didn't go back for a second day.
frank bromley	hermitage, Pennsylvania
5/3/2004 Product or Service Involved: theater research speakers model number th-1810 they sold me some speakers saying they where high end speakers for a good deal showed me prices and told me they where top of the line so i checked them out when i got home online and its a scam becouse they aren't nothing of what they said they where thanks.
ervin warren	None, Pennsylvania
4/29/2004 Product or Service Involved: kv2500ti Same as I have read they have these speakers in the van look good i hooked them up to my van sounded good but got them home and they were blown (the woofers) I took the licence plate of the van down what can I do with it?
Jason	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
4/29/2004 Product or Service Involved: speakers and fur coats I worked at Lowe's home improvement store 2 summers ago. I parked in the back of the parking lot every day, but one day i saw a white van sitting where i usually go. I pull up like 10 spaces away, lock my car, and the van rolls up. these 2 guys got out, slid the side door open, and started their pitch on these pillar speakers that "retailed" for over $2k. they gave me the whole just-got-done-installing-a-new-set pitch and had magazines to back up the price. they wanted $700, nothing less, for the set, and when i said i didnt have anything near that on me, they told me to go inside and get the money from a friend. irritated with the whole thing, i told them wait for me and i'll be back out with the money. i went inside, called the cops, and the scammers left before they came. I'm was pretty sure it was a scame or stolen goods or something. that winter, i was the same guys in the parking lot again. i didnt even park close to them, but when i went inside, people were telling me taht some guys were selling fur coats from their van in the parking lot. what caught my attention with this topic...yesterday, i saw the SAME guys, same van, north of the city, we were sitting in a 3 lane side road at a light, i was all the way on the left, the guy next to me in a civic, and the van guys next to them. they were yelling back and forth, coundlt hear cuz i was a car back, but sure enough, as soon as the light turned, the civic turned in front of the van, and they pulled into the bank parking lot next door. "american sound systems" is the company name, but you can easily tell that it's just a static cling decal, there's a dent in the door and it was coming off. goobers
Erik A.K.A.	Penndel, Pennsylvania
4/18/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV2500ti What's Up !@#$%#^ I am the sales manager for T & M in New Jersey... (The content of this letter has been deleted due to use of profanity. This e-mail has been turned in to the FCC office in Pennsylvania for investigation.) Erik A.K.A. "Opie" Sales Manager T & M Enterprise, Inc.
keith	Camp Hill, Pennsylvania
4/16/2004 Product or Service Involved: Denmark E 830LR I fell for this dumb crap in a Burger King parking lot. Im pissed da funk off now! Deez clocksuckers need to be stopped. I paid $300 for a pair. I didnt hook em up yet so i dont know how they sound but from what i heard on a website der crappiest of da crappiest! hit me back!
TJ	Trooper , Pennsylvania
4/15/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 2500 ti Boy do I feel stupid. White van going back to warehouse can't take speakers back. $1800 Speakers in a HI-TECH mag. $600 for 4 speakers $150 per speaker. I don't even want to hook them up I feel like an ass.
Hasan	Philly, Pennsylvania
3/31/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Another victim of circumstance....same story as most...spent $200..haven't tried them yet but will sone...I guess it was my turn...I've got plenty of good stuff off the streets so f**k it!! Win some, lose some...stop ya crying....
Big L	Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
3/25/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV2500ti Bought em', Checked prices online, Found this sight. Hope I had better luck than the rest. Nice white Chevy Van. PA Tag YJN-4053. 3 Wht males. Early 20's. Temp tag in upper right window. Wish me luck!
James	York, Pennsylvania
3/14/2004 Product or Service Involved: AR-15 Ok people heres the deal. I was a "speakerman" for 5 yrs being all over the country. There aint nothin illegal about it and it sure as hell aint no scam. Its called direct sales. Nothin you buy in the store is worth what you pay for it. from manufacture-warehousing-store, the price gets jacked up along the way for each person to make his profit. If you got expendible cash and your greedy, you're gonna pay $1000 for the set. If you still got more cash, I'm gonna double-set $1500 ya. We play off of YOUR greed. YOU wanted the deal. Why did you pull over? Cause your life is miserable and you want to be part of something exciting. Its the excitement and the thrill of the kill that makes you pull over. If I notice something your wearing, in your car, on your car that I can relate to, I'm gonna become your friend....or so you think. Build a trust. I got a $200,000 house thats paid for and 3 corvettes, all paid for in cash. Thank you for being greedy and allowing me to retire and travel the world at the age of 32. To all speakermen around the country....SELL OUT
Elik	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3/11/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Speakers KV-2500 Thank you all who shared this information. I got dubbed too :( . If anyone here could provide me with their phones (i got one, but it doesn't work) or location I would really appreciate. Please email me at: diesel_20003@yahoo.com That people should learn the lesson. Thank you.
Chuck	Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
3/10/2004 Product or Service Involved: Speakers I was approached today in the parking lot of the Toys-R-Us in Wilkes-Barre PA, just as previously described. An overly nice/eager mid 20s male asking if I needed speakers. He claimed that he had $500 speakers in the back of his van (white) that he wanted to get rid of. Before he could get into his routine, I stopped him by telling him I've heard of his scam and that I was not interested. He tried again, but left quickly once I told him that I read about the speaker scam on the internet. My friend's father was scammed about a year ago. That's how we heard of the White Van Speaker Scam from this site.
eradicator	royersford, Pennsylvania
2/23/2004 Product or Service Involved: dahlton speakers Well yes folks i was accosted by these people too and fell victim to buying junk speakers for too much money. Thanks to the post by tas and tas2 i was able to get the companies address and went there this morning to make a refund. They cut me a check and i took it to the bank, we will see if it bounces or not. It seems they will refund the money to anyone willing to track them down and go there, i would imagine to not have to deal with any kind of legal ramifications. Also if you see one of their vans i would call the cops and let them know that they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, according to their own sales pitch. Good luck with your dealings with these people. T&M Enterprise Inc. 5903 Emilie Road in Levittown, PA. It is actually at the corner of Green Lane and Emilie Road. The phone number is 215-949-8801 Fax (8802) They are the culprits, go and get your money back
Born Yesterday	Middletown, Pennsylvania
2/19/2004 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research Speakers Three guys sell speakers from van saying that they were given extra speakers by warehouse, and that they will sell them to you for cheap. Theater Research 2710's. As PT Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute." Apparently that was me! Muthafunka!
Mike	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2/19/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 2500 ti Same thing happend to us. My buddy put out 500 for these speakers. Watch out people there in PA now.
PA_Scam	Exton, Pennsylvania
2/17/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Same story as all the people here. In the Exton, PA Sam's Club a White van approach to us and tell us that they had leftovers. We paid $300.
TAS2	Devon, Pennsylvania
2/17/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV-2500ti Just in case you wanted the address of T&M Enterprise Inc. it is 5903 Emilie Road in Levittown, PA. It is actually at the corner of Green Lane and Emilie Road. The phone number is 215-949-8801 Fax (8802) and the cell phone number of one of the employees (if you can even call him that) is Dominic at 215-570-1520. I made him give me this b/c I had a bad feeling from the start. Give them a call and bust their balls...
TAS	Devon, Pennsylvania
2/17/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV-2500ti Ok here we go: Before I even begin let me just say that this all happened last Friday, the 13th! I was finishing up lunch with a friend of mine who recently posted here, and I decided to stop by Circuit City on the way home. Right as I was pulling into the parking lot a white van pulled up, almost blocking my car and these two gentlemen (not acting so gentle) started shouting at me. At first, I thought they were trying to start a fight or act tough. Apparently these two thugs had some extra bargain speakers that they wanted to sell to me at what they thought to be an unbeatable price. They even went as far as to show me these made up brochures and magazines flaunting these gems at around $1895.00 a pair. My first question was what kind of speakers are these? I had never heard of Dahlton before and his response to my question was, "oh, they are really high-end speakers". Well, to make a long story short, I ended up forking over $200 in cash to these thieves who seemed overly excited from the beginning. So I went to a friend's house and tried them out and they were very much subpar to my standards...This story does have a happy ending. I called the manager of T&M Enterprises which I found to be some middle-aged gentlemen name John Mehaffey. He made up a long spiel about how it wasn't a scam and how he spawned 8 separate companies from this one. Anyway, he said if i wasn't happy to fax him a receipt (which i did make the scamthugs give me) and he would take care of it on Monday. Well, I ended stopping by his little chopshop this morning and he handed me two crisp $100 bills and shook my hand. Bottom line, I learned my lesson about shady white vans but in the end I got my money back and only had to go out of my way about 20 minutes since i work in NE Philly anyway. I only wish I could have that 15 minutes I wasted talking to these punk bastards. So be on the lookout for someone named Dominic and his thug friend both of whom can't be older than 21. Thanks for hearing me out on this one and good luck.
Justin Blanton	Chadds Ford/Wilmington (DE), Pennsylvania
2/17/2004 Product or Service Involved: can't remember This happened to me about 4 years ago but I just stumbled on to this site. At the intersection of route 202 and Naammons, at the border of Pennsylvania and Delaware, a white van flagged me down and we parked at a gas station. Two "gentlemen" approached me and the one guy gave me the whole story about how they got an extra shipment of speakers. He even showed me a catalog and pointed to the boxes of the speakers in the back of the van. I told them I didn't have any money and walked away thinking there was something shady about this. The one guy mumbled something as I was walking away but I just got in my car and left. The reason why I'm posting this is because this recently happened to a friend who actually bought the speakers (Dahlton 2500ti). I listened to them, and while they were better than I expected (they actually worked), they were still below average speakers and worth maybe $150 at best. They have a very distant and "out-of-phase" sound to them. The mids sounded kind of muffled and the bass was extremely weak for having sub-woofers. Basically they are just very cheap speakers, probably suitable for a college basement party. My friend should be posting here soon.
Carlos Paz	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2/10/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 2500 Speakers Dahlton KV 2500 TI. Scam. Two guys, white van, same story ("I got these extra speakers, they showed me a magazine where they are shown for $1700, I felt like a fool!!). Please be aware. Speakers may be decent but they are not the advertise "magazine" price
nice try there gay	West Chester, Pennsylvania
1/31/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dalton ATTENTION ALL WHITE VAN SPEAKER GUYS: Chicks don't care about speakers. This is probably the 10th time in the the last year that I have been asked if I want speakers for a deal. As soon as I heard from behind me "YO, CRAZY QUESTION" I knew it was one of these guys again, I decided to play along and said "HELL YA". He jumped out and told me how his boss screwed up and gave him too many and he has to sell them before he gets to his next job. He took them out of the box and showed me them and I just played along. He said they are worth $1800.00 but he will take $600.00 for them and my phone#. I laughed at him. I honestly thought he was gay. He told me his name was Matt or Mark and he lives in Philly. He ask me if I wanted to take a ride in his Camaro sometime. WHAT A F#@KIN DORK. NO THANX ATARI 2600. If you see this guy in the philly area mess with him, it made my day. He is about 5'5 dark short hair with a big head and a tattoo on his forearm. You know what the funny part is, I paid $300 for the pair and they sound pretty good.
Steve	West Chester, Pennsylvania
1/28/2004 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton I really don't have that much of a problem with the questionable selling methods. I know speakers, and I wasn't listening to the scam. The problem I have is with the actual merchandise, which could sell itself on performance but for $200 maximum for the pair. I've seen brands like KLH sell for more, and they aren't anywhere near as nice. The only real legal problem is the speakers don't match with the box or the manual, especially since it does not have a "subwoofer," and it does not have magnetic shielding among other things. Legal repurcussions are possible, but aimed at the manufacture and warehouses since they want to try and stand behind the product and disclaim the selling procedures. Don't whine about it, just hustle the hustler using the same game. If they can use the law to defend themselves, you can use it against them as well.
Tony	phila, Pennsylvania
1/24/2004 Product or Service Involved: theater research i am a speakerman and i am writing to say that the only reason people are so upset is because they might have bought a set of speakers for 3 or 4 hundred and found out that somebody else got a deal for less. if you dont want the speakers then dont buy them. its that simple. we are not forcing them on anyone. quit crying about this and start worrying about some real issues.
Aaron Schaffer	Palmer, Pennsylvania
1/19/2004 Product or Service Involved: KV2500TI these 2 guys in a white van came up to my girlfriend today on our anniversary, showed her the speakers and bought them for me without me knowing....man o man am i pissed, she was a little leary buying them so she wrote down the license plate number...i gonna see what i can do, my friends dads a cop and maybe he can tell me a little more about who they are....i saw everyone is gettin scammed in texas...but i'm all the way up here in pennsylvania feelin all of ur pain... Aaron
shadow	wilson, Pennsylvania
1/16/2004 Product or Service Involved: dahlton kb 2500ti a friend a i were in a wall mart parking lot , after recently seeing this web site after a pawn shop tried to sell us a pair of dahltons, same claim $1700 speakers for $299 , when we saw two white van with the passengers of each argueing with each other sceaming threath and profanities at each other about territory. being the curious person i am knowing quite well it was a scam, i went through the whole deal only to laugh and offer them $40. they said theres an atm right over there i declined, and they said "that's all you can do for a hard working man trying to pay his child support and some extra beer money" they showed us a fake invoice and a magazine that looked to be rather old, but with very large prices by the speakers, pretty unusual for electronics catalog. i said no thanks and walked away
miguel	philly, Pennsylvania
1/1/2004 Product or Service Involved: acoustic image exc. in december of last year i went to a job interview little did i know it was for one of these so called scam vans companys. i say so called because the product at that time was pretty good stuff. if u hook it up right... anyway i worked for them for like a month. made some fat cash:} and worked some long hours to do it. during my employment i met some of the coolest people i have ever met (you rock stars know who im talking about). if u can talk fast and be sincere u can make some cake. its not a scam. its a bit of deception. and a stellar performance. in the end if everything goes right everyone is satisfyed. if your not ur just an egotistical prick. the speakers do sound good. good enough for the price. it all depends on what u can spend. in fact i still get pitched to this day and listen to the rant. its a business people just like nike without commercials featuring michael jordan. to all u peeps out there who knock these guys and gals they only get what u give them. they dont get paid for the hours they put in they split what the truck makes. if anything. sometimes at the end of the week u owe more money than u made...if u suck. if i had been 5 years younger when i was introduced i would still be doing it today. ROCK STARS:} MAKE THE MONEY QUICK DONT TAKE NO FOR AND ANSWER. Pitches:} dont knock them till u try them the for the most part sound great just barter and u will get a fair price... somerdale rocks i miss u guys and gals big mike
Coop	Philadelpia, Pennsylvania
12/30/2003 Product or Service Involved: dahlton 2500 ti what a retard i am....was outside of franklin mills mall in philadelpia and tan van with T&M ent. stickers pulls up, says he got the wrong # or speakers put in...and shows me a catalog price says 1395 or somthing, and sold me a set for 210. i have them hooked up right now, they dont sound terrible, but the bass isnt great, and now that i know that they are cheap crap, i am pretty pissed....
DPM	The Mall At Robinson, Robinson TWP., Pennsylvania
12/23/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research Speaker Systems So I got to the mall to do a little last-minute Christmas shopping. On the way to the door, a dude and a chick in a white van with the name of some home theater installation service, which was apparently based in Monroeville, according to the driver, stopped me asking if I was interested in a deal. I was pretty skeptical at first, but the guy gave me that bullsh*t story about ending up with extra inventory, and had permission from his boss to get rid of them cheap and sounded so honest somehow. Anyway, he showed me the TR-501 system along with the floor speaker set, but I was really only interested in the surround sound system itself. The 'list price' was $2,499 according to the box, as well as their 'web site.' He even opened up the box for me and let me handle the speakers. They had some real heft to them, and that's USUALLY a good indication of quality components, because of more expensive and reliable materials. After purchasing the surround speaker set for well below what he was asking for, but still too high for what I feel now, he even asked me for some 'beer money' once the purchase was complete. Then I get online to do some research into these speakers and find out it's a big scam to con you into spending far more money than these speakers are worth. Now I'm trying to find a way to get my money back within the '3 day refund law' that everybody is telling me about.
Nissan Desai	Villanova, Pennsylvania
12/19/2003 Product or Service Involved: Denmark Speakers/ JAM Audio I just got out of my uni's parking lot in a fairly weathly area and was sitting at a traffic light when this van pulled up next to me and started horning me to pull over into a nearby parking lot. I got out in the parking lot when they opened up the back of their van and were acting as if they'd just won the lottery. The 2 guys were yelling and screaming like they hit some jackpot saying they was a mistake in their inventory system & were left with more speakers than needed to be delivered. They broke out some BS audio magazine to show the retail price, spec sheets etc. I just said no. Then they were like how much you wanna pay for it? I was like, $100? lol..then they started to say these are $1200 speakers, blah blah. I still was like I don't have any money to buy 'em, so one guy just grabs the speaker and shoves it into my arms sayin "whatever, $100 just take it" Luckily a cop was passing by and stopped because these guys seemed shady. Cop told me to leave & then proceeded to check out the guys' paperwork. Good thing I didn't pay for that junk.
kelly	Bristol, Levittown, Langhorne, Bensalem, Pennsylvania
12/11/2003 Product or Service Involved: Daulton Speakers They are traveling up and down Business Rt. 1 and Rt. 413 through bucks county Stopping at every gas station Company name is T&M Enterprizes Phone Number on truck is 215-949-8801. They are using a tan chevy express or white chevy astro van be aware if you are at the gas station that is usually where they spot you. opening line is usaully "hey do you need speakers?" They are very pushy don't let them corner you they will try to intimidate you in to buying them.
Kelly Rutherford	levittown, Pennsylvania
12/10/2003 Product or Service Involved: High end speaker sales A man in a white chevy astro van approached myself and my boyfriend as we were pumping our gas he gave us the the same lines listed in the article supplied. Luckily I called my brother who sold speakers and asked about the brand name and it was something he never heard of before, at the same time my brother said he thought it was the scam he had read on the internet the guy selling the speakers began to panic because he did not know who I was talking to on the phone. We then told him we weren't interested and he got a little angry we then got in our car and drove off.
Derek a.k.a. Diggler	York, Pennsylvania
12/3/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Hey guys. I just bought a set. They went through the whole scam as described. I paid $200 for them and I even made the guys hook them up and let me listen to them before I bought them. I liked the sound and the bass kicked good for me. I think I made out, even if they were only made for $50 a set, but isn't that what most companies do? Buy for little, sell for more? Lol, I could even put them in the paper for $700 and not give the name and I'll get my money, plus more, back. Also, I am interested in being a speaker "salesman" in York, PA. Anyone "salesman" out there want to hook me up with a job? My email is Galaxian80@hotmail.com. Anyway, they are worth my $200, I'm just curious as to on how long they will last.
Dawn	None, Pennsylvania
11/25/2003 Product or Service Involved: Sp I came across this site looking for the speakers I just bought. I don't know what you all are complaining about. Do you get scammed when buying flowers, pretzels and hotdogs from street vendors. I think not, and that is basically what these guys are vendors. I bought these speakers and I had them come out to my house to hook them up before they got their money. The speakers sound GREAT!!! Well worth my 300!!
Jim	Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
11/6/2003 Product or Service Involved: dahlton speakers It happened to me exactly as you described in Best Buy parking lot.
Bill Meyers	Montgomeryville, Pennsylvania
11/3/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Speakers Exactly what is described in your article
Jack Hasslet	none, Pennsylvania
11/1/2003 Product or Service Involved: Threater Research Speakers Just a message for the men in the white van, next time we se you, you aren't getting a case of beer you are getting a case of shotgun shells right out of the barrel, so wear your bullet proof vests. We will hunt you down.....
Joe Schmo	Lebanon, Pennsylvania
11/1/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV2500ti loudspeakers I was approached by 2 guys in there 20's in the Lowes parking lot in Lebanon, PA. they were driving a brown van with T & M Enterprises on the door with the phone # 215-949-8801 on it. I also got the license # it is Pennsylvania tags YFF-4047. I'm not sure what I should do about this but not that I've found this web page, i'm going to do some investigating myself. I didn't buy anything from them. But they showed me a catalog from Dahlton that showed the KV 2500 ti loudspeakers retailed for $1795. They had at least 8 to 10 pair of them in their van. They said that they had an extra set. They told be that a guy driving a Mercedes offered them a check for $600 for a pair but they refused because it was a check. They also told me that they were from Philadelphia. I hope this may help someone catch these crooks. thanks for listening.
Joe	Scranton, Pennsylvania
10/24/2003 Product or Service Involved: DAHLTON 2500TI These guys are real good I got taken for $135.00 I guess thats not to bad. They are driving a white van and hanging out in best buys parking lot. The speakers are ok, but certainly not the $1700 they claimed. I guess I spent $135.00 for a life lesson.
John Smith :)	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
10/15/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research speakers White van with 3 guys in it rolling slowly in the student populated neighborhood. They asked if I wanted speakers cheap, and when I didnt dismiss them outright pulled over and opened the van doors. Inside they had Theater Research TR-500 floor speakers and a couple of boxes of 5.1 surround speakers. Gave me normal speach about left overs after installation, which was funny since it was 10AM so they could have gone and installed them somewhere else :) They showed colorful brochures with 1999$ price on the speakers, and even pulled one from the box. Showed the cones and connector on the back. The speakers didn't strike me as high quality - the connectors on the back, though gold color, were of a strange shade, not very gold looking. The boxes were big, but the drivers looked smallish and lonely on the face of the box. They didn't look worth $1999, that alone was a red flag to me, why am I to believe that it is a good deal ($600 for a pair of floor one, or $1000 with the surround), if I know they definetely lied about the price on the box and brochure. I was suspicious as to how the whole transaction to take place, cause I had to get cash, and didn't want 3 guys to be standing behind me at the ATM :) I said thank you and walked away.
Josh	Pottstown, Pennsylvania
10/13/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Speakers Two guys pulled up to me in the parking lot of the Coventry Mall to ask me if I wanted to buy some speakers. I said yeah and they showed me these nice looking Dahlton speakers. The scam went just the same as the article on this web page details, even the bit about beer money. Fortunately, I called my wife before I paid cash and she told me I couldn't spend that much money. God bless her I guess. Beware though, these guys are good.
Matt	Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
10/10/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Apparently they've moved on. I just got off the phone with my friend who goes to school in Bethlehem, PA. He just told me that these 2 guys in a van pulled up and asked him if he wanted to buy some speakers, saying that their boss had ordered too many and that they were worth $1800 (not sure if it was each or per pair) and that they were to sell them for whatever they could get. My friend responded that he didn't need speakers, that he doesn't even have a stereo. They told him that they are selling them cheap, for best offer, my friend then asked what they were offered so far. They replied that another guy had offered them a check for $600, but that they wanted cash, so they'd sell it to him for $300. My friend again repeated that he didn't have that much money, or a need for speakers. I don't know how or why, but he then wound up buying them for $220 for the pair. They are 4' Dahlton KZ 2500 ti speakers, and so I decided to look them up to see how good of a "deal" he got on them. I figured they were either stolen or a scam, and that is when I came across this site. I figured I'd let you guys know about it.
BS	Monroeville, Pennsylvania
9/25/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research speakers I was sitting in a McDonald's parking lot in Monroeville, PA when two guys in a white van pulled up and approached me. They said they worked for a speaker installation company and had some extras, blah blah blah - same story. They showed me a catalog with these in them for $1999 for the pair. They asked for $300 each and I said no way. Eventually I told them I wasn't interested and they packed up and took off. Now that I know it was a scam per the report I saw tonight in San Francisco on KRON (NBC affiliate), I wish I would have gotten the license plate number of these jerks.
PQ	Allentown, Pennsylvania
8/30/2003 Product or Service Involved: Epiphany Bantam Speakers I was on my way home from work and I was stopping at the bank to cash my paycheck. The Bank of all places. I am even considering going to tha bank and seeing if anyway possible to get the tags of the White Chevy truck. I do know that they are New Jersey PLates. Well they pulled up telling me that they had ordered to many and were told by their boss that they could make some extra cash to go drinking and to the strip bar. I told them that I had a nice bose surround sound. So i was about to leave and they said why not buy them dirt cheap and sell them on EBay for full price. This idea I started to like. I should not have been so stupid. I actually work for CBS television in New York, and should have known better from news reports, but I had the idea of reselling these speakers, that was until I got home and went to the epiphany web site to find out it did not exist. Well here I am with 2 speaker that I can not use and out 350 dollars. But someone I work with said that the warehouse is somewhere in NJ becasue he was scammed and went and actually got his money back if anyone has any information including recent tranactions and got license plate # please let me know and email me at PQEDIT1@att.net Thank you. Until then I will see a box of speakers that I have no use for.
Michael Mong	None, Pennsylvania
8/19/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research speaker A group of people in a white van claimed to have 2 extra speakers. They said that the manufacture sent them to many. They claimed the speakers were worth 2000 a piece. I paid them 200 for both.
Unknown	Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
8/12/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater Research Three Guys in a grey van pulled me and a friend over in a local strip mall. Showed us these speakers and a suround sound system which they claimed were worth 2000 bucks a piece. They told us that they were from Philly and that they had a delivery and that they wanted to make an extra buck and sell the speakers. We fell for it and got scamed.
GUY	pittston, Pennsylvania
8/11/2003 Product or Service Involved: american sound systems I've been scammed by these guys before, but they're at it again here in the Pittston Pa area. Two guys in a white Dodge van selling some kind of cheap speakers. They have a sticker on the side of the van that read AMERICAN SOUND SYSTEMS didn't get the phone #. not sure what kind of speakers either. Didn't dive them much of my time, but they are from the Philly area.
jason	west Chester, Pennsylvania
8/7/2003 Product or Service Involved: dahlton 2500 speakers Same scam, and i foolishly fell for it. i always prided myself on being smart enough not to fall for stupid crap like this. in fact i have a nose for it, and i went against my better judgement when i struck the deal. it just didn't feel right but i was going through the motions. if anyone in the West Chester, pa area fell for it could you tell me what the side of the van said? i'm so pissed i can't remember. email me at mojam88@yahoo.com and if anyone knows how i can get at least some of the money back please let me know!!!
Erica	Eagle, Pennsylvania
7/21/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 2500 ti Loudspeakers I am kicking myself now, because i had no idea this was going on, but quite honestly it doesn't matter to me. I got mine for $300, yes i fell for the scam too but they're nice speakers. I can live with that -Later
Eli Sarver	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
7/14/2003 Product or Service Involved: Unknown; truly white van I was leaving the office today, and the funniest thing happened: a man in a white van yelled out at me, "Hey buddy!" I said, "Yeah?" to which he said "You want to buy a nice set of speakers? For your house?" I laughed derisively and told him, "No." I read about these guys about a year ago here on scam shield, and I'm surprised they still exist. If I'm going to buy a set of speakers, it's going to be something like Miller & Kriesel, which are actually worth the money one pays.
John	Hamburg, Pennsylvania
7/14/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dohton kv 1500ti White van with T&M on the side. Two men about 22 yelled out the window to me @ wendy's got speakers for sale. Well idiot me goes and looks @ them. Well from 1200 down to 350 sounded good. Yea right until I got home. Are junk sound like shit. What was i thinking. Any way what goes around comes around. And if I see they again will make the money worth while. Watch your backs because you pissed the wrong person off.
Rick Ashenfalder	Nazareth, Pennsylvania
7/14/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV2500ti speakers I was gassin up my car at the station in the Giant parking lot in town, and these two guy in a white van with T&M Enterprises on it pulled up and the one guy yelled "Hey do you wanna buy some speakers?" That guy was in his 20's, looked like a college boy, his name was Dominick. The other guy didn't say a word, he looked older like in his 30's or 40's, thin hair, real ugly. I finished gassing up my car, then went over and looked at their stuff. They had 2 sets of those Dahlton KV2500ti speakers, and a Cerwin-Vega 5.1 system i think. The rest of the stuff Dominick claimed was for a delivery, but the extra stuff he said was overload that "the crazy Mexicans in the back" had accidentally put in without telling anyone. He first told me they were worth $1800 a set, and showed me the magazine, then said some other guy was offering $600 for them but he wanted to see if he could get anyhting else for them, and he only had a half hour to get rid of them. I'm really not good at wheeling and dealing type situations, so he eventually got me to offer $500 for them. He put them in the back of my car, then we drove to the back so i could take the money out of the ATM and pay him, then they took off, buy i got the number from the side of the van. He said they were based out of Bristol, PA, and the number was (215) 639-6014. Can someone help? Man i wish i wasn't so stupid!
josh	Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania
7/4/2003 Product or Service Involved: Theater research I got scammed like everyone else. these guys were very good at what they did. I paid $270 for tr 2500's. they even pulled the beer thing. I'm not very happy about this and I hop ethat someone stops them. I tried to contact a few tv shows about doing a show on them but they all declined.
donna miick	Mt Pocono, Pennsylvania
6/30/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton KV 1500 ti high performance speaker system Jeeezzzzzzzz....Same story, approached in a K-Mart parking lot,they said it was "overstock".I dont understand why these people havent been caught and prosecuted yet.Seems very rampant. I also dont understand why no one has beaten the crap out of these guys. Im also shocked at some of the replies on here of guys blantantly outright saying they are selling the merchandise and laughing about it....Cant these replies be traced and followed up on? Something has got to be done...........
david katrowski	Reading, Pennsylvania
6/13/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton I bought a pair of "top of the line" speakers from a white van in pa. I travel everywhere all the time so deals like this crop up all the time. I paid $250 for them and all the tactics in the article were used. I am actually very satisfied with these speakers. They may not be $1,800 quality, but they are decent (worth $250 to me).
Tom	Downingtown, Pennsylvania
6/6/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton PSW 4.5 sub It seems that these guys in the white van are in Texas but i live outside of Philly PA and a friend of mine bought a Dahlton PSW 4.5 sub for $500. I dont even know why he would give somebody $500 for a sub that nobody has heard that name of. I made out on the deal cause he's scared to let his parents know he spent $500 on a sub so he gave it to me to sell. Its been about a year now and i still have the sub. I think it works great but not worth $500.
Kyle	Pottstown, Pennsylvania
6/4/2003 Product or Service Involved: don't know This is the third time this has happened to me in this area in the past year. Last July I was approached at the Burger King on High Street in Pottstown on my lunch break, with the whole "I am overstocked for a delivery and I cant take them back" bit. A few months ago I was approached with the same speil at the Redner's Market Shopping Center in Collegville, PA (a few miles down the road from Pottstown) during the early evening hours. Today I was approached at the Coventry Mall parking lot in Pottstown during my lunch break. The passenger asked me if I wanted to buy speakers, and when I said no, he was very persistent! He kept asking, "how about now?" over and over again, till I told him to F--- off and turned my back. What a jerk! All three incidents were groups of young guys in white vans. The first two were Caucasian. Today's incident was Latino.
jay	L-town, Pennsylvania
6/3/2003 Product or Service Involved: speakers you are all retarded. you bought the shirt, so deal with it. the speakers kick-ars anyway. you decide the price when YOU buy them, so stop cryin' about it. It's not a scam just because someone says it is. I wouldn't give you your $ back either. your just mad because you thought you were getting a deal on stolen goods, when actually your paying a fair price for a business that does not have a store, but delivers to you in a random parking lot. if you want beef- hit me up at 212-479-7990. Peace.
Any mouse	Allentown, Pennsylvania
4/2/2003 Product or Service Involved: Digital Audio (by theater research) I was eating at an Arby's restaurant on Lehigh St when two men pulled up in a white van selling speakers. I called the police. I found out that the police questioned the men and the potential buyer. THEY let them go!! They were scammed! No one purchased speakers. This was an obvious scam. I can't believe that the police let them go. They told them that they needed a "vendor permit" to sell in the area.
James M	West Chester , Pennsylvania
3/21/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Loudspeakers KV 2500 t1 Two men in a white van met me while drizzling just before I enter McDonalds. The offered the speakers for $600 but I told them that I don't have that kind of money. They pulled a catalog listing the price of $1700, but I told the I could only afford half. They were displeased with my offer so I told them I could only get them more money if they can tell me where to find them. They declined. That was the catch. However their van has the following inscriptions on the side: "T&M company Tel No 215-614-6014" I tried the no. and it does not work. I hope everybody sees this. They use the same story given by other ahead of me. BE ON THE LOOK OUT!!!!!
Rosemary A. Bertinelli	Dickson City, Pennsylvania
3/15/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton Loudspeakers..KV2500ti, Audiofile Home Theater HT2006 Our son was taken in by this while at work. Men in van said that these items were out of Bensalem. They even gave him a receipt so the "warranty would not be compromised". Although he negotiated quite effectively, the fact that this is going on in parking lots is infuriating.
J K	Allentown, Pennsylvania
3/11/2003 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image Four Point Five Speakers 3 males in white van with NJ plates. Van had an audio company name on front and rear doors. Speakers were result of inventory error. They mentioned several times about owing them a beer for such a good deal. They had a laminated brochure & warrenty cards. Speakers retailed for $1169, but I could get them for $250. Lucky for me they wouldn't take $150, it was tough getting away...
jim santarelli	Peckville, Pennsylvania
3/6/2003 Product or Service Involved: dahlton loudspeaker kv-2500 this one is a light wood tower speaker i paid 270.00 for a pair the guy said that they had 16 in the van and they only were supposed to have 12 so they had extra and his boss laughed at him the last time he brought the extra back so he is trying to get rid of them
cory	None, Pennsylvania
2/25/2003 Product or Service Involved: Dahlton speakers they scammed me in bloomsburg, PA..two guys in a white van..i believe the fan said delfi in the side..they said they were from bensalem, pa.
bootinlee	Near PA, Pennsylvania
2/13/2003 Product or Service Involved: dahlton speakers i know where john mahaffy is. he is the person who is running the scam and started in California. If we all email FOX UNDERCOVER and report this they will investigate. Mahaffey says he is taking over for Kelphi the guy who scammed us but they all are in the scam. They try to present there item as a good item but they suck. We all know this so email mwfoxm@hotmail.com with your story and if there is enough stories we they will investigate. They are using the fax # 215-639-6015 and their phone # is 215-244-6847 and they are at 1400 Adams Rd in Bensalem Unit C and the old guy Matt Winhairs (spelling ??) is on state road at american sound system selling speakers. I am not sure about Winhairs info but if there is a list that email me to go let me know bootinlee@yahoo.com
DW	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11/20/2002 Product or Service Involved: Speakers See John's experience from 7/26/02. I followed his instructions and went to the address. It took a while, but the guy finally gave me my money back. He looked up on the computer to find out if I was telling him the truth. So go there and get your money back. But don't lie about what you paid. And DO open the box and stuff first. Just take the approach that you changed your mind about your purchase. Don't bust in there and mention that your were scammed, even though that's just what happened. By being calm, nice and honest about what you paid, you will get your money back.
Jace Brenner	Moorisville, Pennsylvania
11/12/2002 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image 600SL Person in white van comes up to me saying, that he has super light weight speakers that are fiberoptic and junk, that they rock, i got them for 100 bucks, which is a total rip
Crazy Philly Guy	Your House, Pennsylvania
11/5/2002 Product or Service Involved: Your Local Speaker Guy I've been a speaker guy for 8 months now and ive made a mountain of cash..... I sell many sets everday and i love it. I get beer money, tittie bar money, you name it, i got it. The best part about this job is we get the greedy, and the product is kill, ive had them in my room for three years with a 1000 watt sony reciever behind them. Ok folks now be honest, work 40 hours for $400, or 12 hours for $500? I think you've made your decision. Well, i'll be enjoying my 98 viper, you sure you guys couldn't use another pair, you know, for a DEAL! Laughin all the way to ATM, Your Local Speaker Guy
Ed Christensen	Bethlehem , Pennsylvania
11/4/2002 Product or Service Involved: Kelfi distributors inc Dahlton speakers Speakers are now being marketed under the name Dahlton loud speakers by Kelfi Distributors inc 1400 Adams road unit c Bensalem, PA 19020. ph 215-244-6847
Crazy Guy	Walla Walla, Pennsylvania
10/31/2002 Product or Service Involved: All the stuff you guys buy Just wanted to say thanks much to all you lovely citizens who buy speakers from me. you make me rich on your own cold hard cash and i love it!
Joseph Bradley	Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania
10/22/2002 Product or Service Involved: speakers They were two "mini tower" speakers with two 4" inch speakers. Triangular in shape and are suppose to place in corner 6 to 8 inches from wall
Adam	Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania
10/17/2002 Product or Service Involved: Tsunami Series/2 Guys in an SUV with Jersey plates came up to me and a friend. They explained that they had a great deal and there were some extra speakers in the back of there car. Showed me IDs, opened up the box to show me the speakers. Pressured me when I was about to walk away and showed me a paid for invoice and a number to call. I called the guy on a cell phone and asked about prices. He gave me some crap prices and I believed him and gave the guys $100 for a set of Tsunami Series/2 5 speaker surround sound.
Jeff	Kutztown, Pennsylvania
10/16/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark Loud Speakers Home Theatre Surround Sound FX 610 SUR Two white males, early twentys approach me at the Sheetz gas station on route 222 of Kutztown, Pennsylvania. They ask me if I want to buy some speakers, being sketchy from the start I asked to see them and they led me to a van. Immediately I thought SCAM. However, I noticed the van they were driving had the logo JAM Audio on the side of it. I mentioned out right that this seemed like a scam, and they ensured me that it wasn't that they had extra speakers in inventory. There were two sets of speakers, two very large speakers available in the van and a home theatre surround sound. I was interested in the surround sound and he asked how much I would pay for these speakers. I said I didn't know, he said what would you say $500, $600? I just had a guy pay $600 for a set just like these. He showed me the ad, showing their worth at $1390 in a magazine with also a euro symbol of the monetary worth next to it. I said all I could offer was $300 tops because that is all my ATM would allow. I knew there was a chance I was getting scammed, but these guys really made it sound legit saying they would provide a receipt. I said, what if they don't work? They insisted they would and the one guy even offered to come to my apartment and set them up. I said okay to this, and he rode with me in my car for 20 minutes as we drove to my apartment with the surround sound speakers. He came upstairs took the speakers out of the box (each individually wrapped in sealed plastic), feeling convinced this was legit I said he didn't have to set them up and we drove to an ATM machine. I was never asked for "Beer Money," but on the way out, the guy looked at my CD collection (well my display of empty cd cases and a few crappy cds I never listen to) and asked if he could have one because I was getting such a great deal. He tried for a Beastie Boys cd, but it wasn't in the case. So he then reached for a Bon Jovi cd, which was in there because it was crap, and annouced "Cool Bon Jovi!" Can I have this.. figuring no loss here, I said "Sure!" going back downstairs to his buddy who looked rather distraught during this whole thing, announced "He gave us Bon Jovi!!!". His friend, like me, wasn't too impressed. Anyway their whole mission was to: "Go get drunk and go to the tittie bars with my money" ..it sounded good enough to me. Even if this was a scam. The one guy followed me to the machine and told me he was going to keep $100 for himself and not tell his buddy in the van. So if i could just say I only paid $200 to him, if that would be ok? This was really sketchy, I said okay, after giving him the money went back to my car. He yelled out the window you only had $200 right? and I didn't say anything just started to drive away. The van pulled out and followed me in the same direction. I was heading back to the gas station. The van followed me for a good 25 miles, I went past the Sheetz and they followed, all the way to the Wal-mart on 222, finally pulled in, and they kept driving. (I suppose heading towards Lancaster?) Didn't get plate numbers. The speakers do work, and give a decent sound for surround in movies. Wires can get loose fairly easy though, and once in awhile there is a small hissing in the background. Hasn't been enough to make me complain considerably. I did receive a receipt from these guys KELFI DISTRIBUTORS, INC. 1400 Adams Road, Unit C Bensalem, PA 19020 (215) 244-6847 FAX(215)244-6844 The receipt is signed in jumbled handwriting purposely with fake signature and fake order number. At first glance looks real, at second glance its an obvious dupe. If anyone pursues these JAM Audio fakes contact me at phishbowlah@hotmail.com
rick croissette	None, Pennsylvania
10/11/2002 Product or Service Involved: dahlton speakers. you know how they say they have two extras. worse part about it is it was the second time i was approached in 3 months. once in king of prussia, pa. and this time in quakertown, pa. they got me this time tho
Ken DeLamarter	Lancaster , Pennsylvania
9/21/2002 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image 6.5 speakers Van pulled up. Two young men. One about 5'6" 150 lbs. brown hair with glasses. The other 5'7" 165 lbs. bald with a black goatee. Offered me a set of Acoustic Image 6.5 home theatre speakers. They just made an installation and have some speakers unaccounted for. Boss said to get what they could for them. Driver said he works for a company called SounDivision in New Jersey. Lisence plate from Jersey, didn't get the number. Receipt from SounDivision gives address from Lake Elsinore, CA. Gave me his cell number. Brendon at 404.423.4684. This area code is in Georgia. Showed me his driver's license, also from Georgia. Claimed he just moved to Jersey. Also gave me a customer order number of NC-31042-NJ. Told me the list price for these was $1169. Sold them to me for $200 plus $20 for beer.
Kelly Roberts	Erie, Pennsylvania
9/20/2002 Product or Service Involved: Dynalab speakers I had run into Sears at the Millcreek Mall to make a credit card payment while my husband and baby son waited in our truck. When I came out my husband was speaking to two young guys, one with red hair who were trying to sell him some speakers. Unfortunately, my husband is a big music/ entertainment fanatic and they did make a sale. Against my better instincts and protests, my husband bought the speakers. He pulled to the mac machine and I withdrew $900. This is the first time I heard of this scam. I was looking for a replacment cover because our new dog put a hole in the right speaker's cover. In a way this is a relief, we happen to like the speaker's performance and now I can tell my husband they aren't really worth the $2000 that he thought they were.
Kurt	None, Pennsylvania
9/18/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark Speakers I was in a Lowe's parking lot and a beige van pulled up next to me and asked me if I needed some speakers because he got extras in his shipment. I actually am in the market for speakers but didn't feel right buying something that sounded stolen so I said, "Maybe in about a year or so." They immediately turned their attention to two guys walking buy and asked the same question. The poor victim started out saying "just bought a pair," then stopped in his tracks and said, "What brand." The guy in the van said "Denmark - 800 watt towers - digital" The victim said "How much" and the scam artist said, "Come here and check them out." Sorry to say, when I came out of the store I saw the victim loading 4 big boxes into the back of his pickup.
anonymous	Washington, Pennsylvania
9/18/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark E830 LR I was approached by a white van, at wal-mart and got these killer speakers for only $400.00, and these 3 guys showed me that they were worth $1390.00; wow did I get a deal. Thanks, Shawn have fun at the booby-bar.
s.stoltzfus	Shillington, Pennsylvania
9/16/2002 Product or Service Involved: denmark sl loudspeakers cherry Two guys in green van at Hess gas station on 222 in shillington sold me a pair for 200.00 plus 40.00 beer money. e-mail me for more info.
Bill Scottsman	Phillipsburg, Pennsylvania
9/11/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark E 830 LR speakers A pair of home theater speakers.
WILLIAM H MILLER JR	DOWNINGTOWN, Pennsylvania
8/28/2002 Product or Service Involved: ACOUSTIC IMAGE 6.5 MINI TOWER SPEAKER SET WHILE PULLING OT OF HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT I WAS WAIVED DOWN BY A WHITE VAN, I THOUGHT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS, SO I ROLLED DOWN MY WINDOW TO SEE WHAT THEY (2 MEN) WANTED. I WAS INFORMED THAT THEY HAD THEATER SURROUND IMAGING SYSTEM TO GET RID OF BECAUSE A CUSTOMER REFUSED THE ORDER AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEND THEM BACK TO FACTORY. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I FEEL FOR THE SCAM AND ENDED UP PAYING THEM $200 PLUS $20 FOR "BEER MONEY". I AM A TRUSTING 59 YEAR OLD MALE WHO THINKS EVERYONE IS AS HONEST AS ME!! WHAT A FOOL I AM. I KNOW I WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE THIS $220 AGAIN, BUT, I DO HOPE THAT THIS REPORT WILL HELP IN ENDING THIS SCAM SO OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE DON'T SUFFER A FINANCIAL LOSS & EMBARRASSMENT AS I HAVE.
GP	Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania
8/22/2002 Product or Service Involved: DOGG Digital Speakers Model #SL-1100 Well I guess I just paid $300 for some speakers + $20 beer money from 2 guys in a light green Ford Windstar PA Reg #DSA-3007. Haven't tried them out yet but from what I'm reading on the web I got taken. Got a buisness card for Xtreme Audio. Office locations in Erie, PA, Laurel, MD, Harrisburg,PA. 1-888-365-0428 (can't be completed as dialed). Joe Giaquento listed as President on card. This happened 8/21/2002 about 2:00pm at the K-Mart on the Carlisle Pike. By the way, the buisness card was printed on a computer, but the audio magazine that had pictures of the speakers was pretty slick. List price $1499.oo ea. Have some possible info on refunds from "audioasylum.com". I entered "DOGG digital speakers" on ASK JEEVES "ask.com" to find out if these speakers were worth anything and found out about the "white van scam". Lucky Me! LOL As posted on "audioasylum.com" DOGG Digital is offering refunds to all people scammed call 714-813-4530 or 949-300-7179. Call 24hrs. Don't hold me to those #'s I haven't called yet so I don't know who they go to. Good Luck.
John	Philly, Pennsylvania
7/26/2002 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image First Two things: Nice Work Hunter (you should volunteer at scam shield) and Jeff (Smoker), you are not fooling anybody with that story. We know you are a speakerguy in Somerdale, NJ so just STFU (not to be confused with STFO). Anyway if you got scammed in Central Jersey, South Jersey, or in the Philly area and you want your money back go to ... 900-K Chestnut Ave (not sure of precise address but it is on this street) Somerdale, NJ 08083-1451 856-207-5342 * Cell phone 856-784-7068 Contact: Jim Barris, Brian Long, Rick Walker, Daniel Kaiser, Jeff, Brendon. (It's right off of Rt 30. you'll see a Wawa on the corner on Evergreen take a left. Take next left and first right across from dirt parking lot) Here are the license plates: License Plates at S. Jersey Location: Chevy Vans 1.) X6022L 2.) X5346F 3.) YBV-111764 4.) X7575J 5.) X7573J Personal Tags I found at the S. Jersey Location: 1.) MAT49V (Brian/Brien Long SUV beinge?) 2.) MKE33S (SUV) 3.) MHE-25B Brown Mercury Cougar XR7 4.) MMY83X Silver Hyandai Sonata 5.) MKK83V Dark Chevrolet Truck 6.) MPL-71R Black VW GTI 7.) 9545943 Red Passat Temp Plates 8.) MEW22S Yellow Jeep Wrangler 9.) UJ572D Honda Accord Oh, if you got scammed by Brendon give him my regards and here is the information he provided to me when he scammed me. Brendon (truck scammer from outside Atlanta and is now in the South Jersey Location) 404-423-4684 * cell phone he gave me has not been working. He works for Jim at S. Jersey. The truck he has been seen driving in X6022L (NJ) number on truck 800-821-4651 I gave Scam Shield Brendon's personal information, such as his social security number, driver's license number, DOB, etc., which the authorities will find very interesting. I also gave Scam Shield the name of his father, mother, grandmother and sister and their contact info in Alpharetta and Atlanta, GA. if you want it, just contact them. Don't you just love how all scammers think they can't be found hahahahahahhahahaha! Oh, I was once told by a scammer "no offense, this is just how we do business." Well, none taken. This is just how I do business.
Charles Harris	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
7/23/2002 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic Image - Tsunami series/2 and powered subwoofer Surround sound 5 pc. speaker set with wires, powered subwoofer w/ 10" long throw driver, 250 watts, no directions, no warranties, no reciept, said any problems call the store, ask for Jim 856-207-5342, told me all products were un warranty, white van with w/ SounDivision on the sides and back, w/ N.J. tags. Paid $300.00 for the surround system and 500 for the subwoofer was shown a brochure showing each item over $1000.00 each
Scott S.	Meadville, Pennsylvania
5/21/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark Speakers White Van with Denmark on the side approached a gentleman in the parking lot of Staples and Walmart. The man ignored them and they drove off to come see me because they noticed me make eye contact with them. They asked if I would be interested in some really expensive speakers for a great price. I humored them knowing that I didn't have any money on me anyhow. I was curious to find out the details because I figured the van or the contents inside were stolen. They showed me an add in a catalog and tried to the best of their knowledge to explain some of the specs of the system. $1400 speakers for the price of $600. That was their first offer. I had to explain my debt situation but they still tried to get me to locate some money in the next few hours. Even asked for credit cards. They said they needed to have enough to split amongst the two of them. Hoping to party the night away with the money. Comment made to me. They showed me an order slip and said the company sent a couple extra speakers that were not invoiced. I still refused and they were disgusted with me for not having any money. They finally drove off. The van was from Kenny Ross Dealership and it was a newer Chevy Conversion van.
Niel	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
5/14/2002 Product or Service Involved: Acoustic mage Pretty much the same story as everyone else. i even had a friend with me who knows a little about speakers and kept asking him, "am i getting scammed?" he even chipped in an extra $20 when they seemed bummed about me only paying $200. what can i say? a very well designed scam because it involves you in their act of impropriety so you feel like you're getting away with something too. unfortunately, i didn't even get a reciept. it looks like these are my speakers, i hope they're at least ok.
Slim	Westchester , Pennsylvania
5/10/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark speakers I ran into the speaker scam... After recording the license plate, and "running it." I got some info... Crown Audio, Inc. located at 1400 Adams Rd., Bensalem, PA (215) 644-6847, also known as JAM Enterprise... Keeping all this info in mind... I drove around Westchester, PA where I first bought the speakers (Denmark) for $250. I once again found the van... I convinced the two in the van to follow me to my house, because I told them I wanted to buy another set... When I first bought the speakers I did not received a receipt, but when I went up to the van I was told "Hey, I forgot to give you a receipt the other day so here it is... They falsified the date and info on the receipt... I demand my money back on the spot... they called their boss "Matt" and he told me that he would refund the speakers, for me to fax the receipt and they would give me my money back, it is now May 11 and I have not seen anything... he has told me on three occasion that he will send some guys over to pick up the speakers and give me a refund... I brought the speakers to a friend and he said the speakers themselves are not of Denmark brand, they are a no name... I am thinking about pressing criminal and civil charges against the company...for theft by deception....
Ben	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5/4/2002 Product or Service Involved: Image 2000 SL-7.1 Dogg Digital Audio speakers I just got taken this week in Pittsburgh, off of Penn avenue. I paid $300 for a pair of Image 2000 SL-7.1 Dogg Digital Audio speakers. The guys were in a gray GMC van, two of them, they ahd the slick catalog, used the beer money line, everything. Even tried to get me to trade them my computer printer for them (thank god I wasn't THAT dumb). I have contacted my local (Indianapolis) consumer protection TV station, and they are going to be running a report on the situation to help inform people here about it.
Rocky R.	Springfield, Pennsylvania
5/3/2002 Got duped in a Texaco parking lot along Baltimore Pike. However, after about 4 days of persistence, I DID get my money back. Those fools selling them gave me a reciept with a phone number on it and as soon as i found out about the "scam", i called them up and told them i wanted to return the speakers. we made an appointment to meet at their office so i could do the return and, of course, no one was there when they were supposed to be. so the next morning i got up real early, went and sat outside of their "shop", and once the place had a few van drivers in it, i went in and raised hell. of course i had to give them at least 10 good reason to return them before they would take them back. i told them, "for one, they arent shielded". THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. how can you sell speakers (legit) and not know what shielding is (in regards to speakers). so, if you are lucky and got a reciept, call em up and tell them you're bringing them back. JAM Enterprises in Willow Grove, if I remember correctly. it was over a year ago that this happened.
Johnny	King of Prussia, Pennsylvania
5/1/2002 I was taken in by this so called "white van scam" yesterday. I paid my $300 thinking I got a great deal. I actually think I still got a good deal. In my opinion there's nothing wrong with the speakers I purchased. I tried them out when I got home and they sound great, and look great. Plus I got a great sub woofer thrown in with it. I think what it comes down to is what you consider a worthy price for good speakers. Since there's no set price it's pretty much up to you on what you will negotiate to pay. I think they're worth the $300 I paid and probably more than that. In a store they'd probably be $300 a piece. The only reason people feel it's a scam is because they were deceived in to thinking they were making out like bandits just as much as the guys selling them. Don't worry about it, who cares what the story was, just enjoy your new speakers. If you bought them, you were probably going to buy speakers anyways so now you don't have to deal with that. I think it's a deal so don't be so discouraged, it's only a scam in the way they present themselves. Otherwise who cares. -Johnny Cartero
JASON R. CACCIA	Greensburg , Pennsylvania
4/25/2002 I had just pulled out of the bank on a one way street and a NEWER RED CHEVROLET van pulled in front of me the wrong way and blocked traffic. Two younger men were inside and the driver was yelling something. I had figured that he was lost so I wound down my window and questioned whether he was lost and informed him that he was going the wrong way on a one way street. He then asked me if, "I wanted to buy a home theater system?" I wasn't sure if I heard him right and made him repeat his question. Sure enough, I heard him correctly. He told me to go around back to the bank parking lot and he would show me. Unfortunately, I was curious and wanted to know more. I pulled my baseball bat from under the back seat and laid on the dashboard in case a problem arose. As I pulled up next to him I turned on my scanner to listen to the police channel. I was not thinking about a scam at the time, rather STING operation by the police. I looked around for the marked or unmarked police vehicles and it seemed to be legit. He opened the box in front of me and made it look even more real. i thought then, since there is no way he could have tampered with the box, maybe there was an extra system loaded in his van today. He told me the speakers were worth 2,000 dollars and they did not want to take them back because seniority rules and they were not going to get the system anyway. He made me an offer of 800.00 and I told him that was too steep for me. I started to climb back in my vehicle to leave and he started dropping the price. He asked for 500-600 and I started to (what I thought was controlling him) offer much less. I told him all I had was 100.00 that I had just pulled from the ATM machine. He then asked what I could afford to pay and I offered 200-250 dollars. He thought about it for a few minutes and then said, "GIVE ME 300 AND 20 FOR A CASE OF BEER AND THEIR YOURS." I agreed to those terms and proceded into the bank to make another withdrawal. I came back out and gave him the money. Acting like he was relieved to get rid of the EXTRA burden, he shouted to his PARTNER, "YES, WE'RE GONNA GET LOADED TONIGHT." Being a little unsure after the sale, I backed out first and purposely stalled my vehicle behind their van, blocking them in. Since they couldn't go anywhere, I grabbed a pen and paper and wrote down the liscense plate number and took note of what color and type of van.
PSU student	State College, Pennsylvania
4/24/2002 Product or Service Involved: Denmark 830LR speakers just bought a pair of denmark 830lr's for $150 out of a Denmark van in the Uni-Mart parking lot. So far they're damn good speakers, worth more than i paid.
Jeff B	Cranberry, Pennsylvania
4/19/2002 they are in the target parking lot right now, go get em ;)
Dave Barnes	Lancaster, Pennsylvania
4/19/2002 Same exact scam as everyone else is talking about happend to me. I paid $400 dollars for the set of speakers. I should kick myself for doing this, but if I could find the people who sold the speakers to me again it would be over. I look for that green van that say Crown Audio on the side of it every day, but I can't find it. If any one had any info on this or wants to help me look, let me know. Email address is davebarnes1@hotmail.com. This is the same scam everyone else is talking about and it really has me so to speak upset. I am going to try to get my money back, but who knows if that will happen.
jeffrey	Washington, Pennsylvania
4/11/2002 Same as described in your story. 2 men in white van selling speakers saying they got a few extra pair and need to get rid of so boss wont keep tham. also asking for beer money just as you stated. i bought a pair for $200 and they said they were worth $1390 even showing me an ad in a national magazine. i called about a refund today and it is in progress hopefully
John	West Chester, Pennsylvania
4/8/2002 Same description, routine, beer money, etc. I paid $380. But the van was blue. Two guys, facial piercings, close cropped hair, flashed a wad of well over $4000. The speakers seem OK but did not sound as good as my Cerwin Vegas.
Brian	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
3/16/2002 I also ran into this scam several years ago along McKnight Rd. in the North Hills of Pittsburgh. The details fit exactly. Two guys in a plain white utility van pulled up to me and a friend in a parking lot. They gave us the same story about surplus on an invoice, and even had the fake sales brochures which showed the speakers as being worth $1200. The speakers were new, labelled "Omni-Audio", sealed in boxes, but we opened them and looked at them, and haggled with the guys until we got them down to $200 per pair. We each picked up a pair, unsure if they were going to even work, but they looked good, and even the oak towers and titanium tweaters alone looked worth some bucks. I have read everyone's complaints, but I can honestly say that in the four years I've owned these speakers I have not had a single complaint about them. I mean, i'm no sound expert, I'm more of a film/video guy, but they have always sounded good, delivering quality highs and lows. Sure, maybe they're not as good as say their Alpine or Kenwood equivalents, but hey, for $200 bucks, who cares.
Spencer	Havertown, Pennsylvania
2/19/2002 As with many of you I too have purchased a inferior product. Even the directions are inferior, they say go to page 23 and there is no page 23. Anyway I have managed to get a address for them down in Maryland and I am up for a ride. I want my money back. If you are interested E mail me @ Skilroya@hotmail.com please put something in the subject otherwise I will not open it. Thanks
Dan	Willow Grove, Pennsylvania
2/17/2002 I experienced the exact scam that you are reporting with the white vans. (I wasn't dumb enough to buy the speakers, however). I was at the intersection of Moreland Road and Easton Road, across from the Olive Garden, and an unmarked white van pulled up next to me. A blonde guy was in the passenger seat and a light-skinned black girl with braids was driving. He held up what looked like invoices and said they had "extra, unaccounted for speakers and equipment." They were both very excited about it, and tried to get me to pull over with them, they said I wouldn't regret it. They also said the speakers were legit and "this is crazy, we gotta get rid of them." I laughed and told them that it is the shadiest thing in the world to stop at a light in a plain white van and try to sell speakers. They told me it was my loss, and turned at the light. Score one for the ungullibles!!!!! --dan
Sam	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2/13/2002 Can anyone tell me where in Philly these guys operate usually? Also specifics of number of people, age, size, car details and so on. Please post here or eMail luminoxas@hotmail.com I'm gonna see about gettin you a refund.
Ronnie Michael	Montoursville, Pennsylvania
2/5/2002 Two gentlemen approached me posing as an independent dealer and installers for DENMARK LOUDSPEAKERS in a tan van with CALIFORNIA LICENSE PLATES. They stated they had just finished an installation and claimed that the customer had originally ordered 2 (two) sets of speakers but then only wanted one set, therefore they said that they could sell these "Amazing" speakers for an unbelieveable deal, Quoting they were worth $1200.00--1400.00. Bandgering and pressuring me to purchase these speakers first offering them to me at a price of $700.00 I told them they were NUTS then they dropped the price to 500.00. Once again I told them they were NUTS so they said they would drop the price to $300.00. Unfortunately I became the victim of the White Van Scam!!! All taking place in a LOWES Parking lot in Montoursville, PA.
Kevin Candelaria	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1/28/2002 I was at a carwash with my buddy, the guys had legit id's, a buncha speakers boxed new, and they were really good at selling them. they got me for them and now i'm stuck with 200 dollars of junk.
Jim Iacavina	None, Pennsylvania
1/25/2002 They are now using a gray SUV-Tahoe to be specific. I was duped in the King of Prussia area. (Philly suburb) just outside a bank. They claim to be from Cherry Hill New Jersey. Guys name was Larry. I paid $600 and want to get my $$ back. Please warn others and police officials in the area. Jim Iacavino
Kirk Lavetan	York, Pennsylvania
1/21/2002 Paid $400.00 for a pair of Denmark speakers. The two salesmen told me that they were ordered by mistake and were extra speakers that they were trying to make a quick buck on. They also asked for some money for a case of beer.
Dave	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
1/18/2002 Dynalab is active in the Pittsburgh area too. They are operating out of an office in Plum Borough (a suburb to the east of the city, sorry I don't remember the address.) If seeking a refund, bring along a physically imposing friend or the police: the guy running it is intimidating, has a temper, and has a baseball bat in the corner of the office. I didn't have much trouble, but a friend of mine who also has a temper almost got into a fight with him. their operation is exactly as described, except they have grey as well as white vans.
Leslie Carr	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
1/18/2002 Someone is trying to unload these on our college bboard.
Eugene Stover	Cranberry Twp, Pennsylvania
1/11/2002 There in full force in the Cranberry area. Just got a call from a friend who was happier that poop. Just scored on a $1700.00 Speakers. Only paid $200.00!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous	Lancaster, Pennsylvania
12/6/2001 My boyfriend paid $500 for a pair of Denmark speakers from two white men in a green GMC van with JAM enterprises on the side. It was the same scripted info w/the color brochures and fake magazine advertisment. He was not given a receipt. Is there any way he could get his money refunded?? Please let me know...Littlemiss78@cs.com Thanks
Matt Culmone	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
8/21/2001 Two guys in a white van with some sort of logo on the side approached us on the street. They said they had lucked out on a shipping error, and wanted to unload some speakers cheap before anyone found out. Me and my friend bought into it, and spent $250 a piece. Now we have some seriously bad speakers, and no money for new ones. This was a damn slick scam. They had been outfitted with everything you can imagine to sell these things... a fake shipping invoice, fake retail material, etc. There has to be some sort of central controlling agent in this scam, because no individuals are this slick. If anyone has any information on where to find these individuals.... haha. If anyone did, I'm sure they would already be shut down. Oh well.

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